Egh...that sucks.

I started to get a better feeling/read on RW towards the end of the Day (the tone shifted from manipulation to genuine help), but it was just too late and going back on it all wouldn't have helped anything, I think, to suddenly start suspecting agent and phshing him (who is now my #1 suspect) and I really did think RW was trying to influence with fear and not reason and twist things so had to be sure. Sorry, RW (I liked your bah-humbug video.) This sort of thing makes me feel so guilty when I am an active pusher for someone getting lynched and they turn out town. I think this is why I'm so inclined to vote no-lynch, not the guilty feeling, but, because I've been the D1 lynch multiple times and I know how much it sucks to go through what RW did (trying so hard to convince everyone of what you think and it getting you into trouble to a point of getting you lynched all the while going "noooo! you're wrong! gahhh!"

Anyway. Comforts to vote today are: agent, JMich, cristi (also lurking a bit much for my comfort.) While flub is doing a lot of lurking, I don't get a funny feeling from him like the few times he's been scum-lurker vs. town-lurker, so I'll stay off him for a bit.

Agent has been a non-contributory lurker to a degree that is now not only lynch-worthy because it is anti-town, but has become downright suspicious, imo. His hop on RW seems the weakest and most convenient, and also was the turning point in the wagon as I see it. He's got a couple "too busy to post" excuses, and has been riding that and we're just letting him go. I've seen him do that as scum. I'm not okay with him doing it again. Yes, he could be a lurking PR, but, PRs have to learn to blend in to town doing townie things, not skate by as one of the numerous lurkers who don't draw heat. (however I don't actually think he is a PR, but more likely cult/CL.)

also, @fantasysci, each beginning of the Day resets the post-by deadline, everyone has those "2 days" after the Day starts to post. Some Nights last a week in some games. I saw the Day started last night and read the thread, but didn't have time to post. I'm gone most of today.

forgot to go ahead and

vote agentcarr16

also, if I had time (or when I do), get ready for jokes about well-cooked brains + banana pie...or something...

Checking in, though some quite busy days ahead of me. Quite willing to go with Wyrm's choice, especially if it would verify him.

Eh.

I regret my vote on RW, but he wasn't behaving townily. Heck, he voted himself, which is never pro-town.

And I also regret my "too busy to post" excuses, but I can't help it. GOG is blocked at work, so I can't post for ~10 hours a day. And then there are minor inconveniences like eating and sleeping that also take up time...


Your reticence displease me. Who did you target?


Lol.

Huh. You've changed your mind awfully suddenly on a few things... Almost like you switched sides or something.


Compare this

with these

Not quite the same...


Also, this

contrasts somewhat with these

Your targets have changed rather drastically, have they not?


Finally,

Just one question here. When exactly have you seen me do that as scum?!?

Considering I've been scum exactly once, in the Guild game. And I talked myself into lynch in that game...

It is quite simply, redundant.

Well, my read was completely off. I completely regret voting for RW. His behavior did not strike me as town. I completely misread him. My apologies.

I'm still somewhat suspicious of flubbucket, but take that with a grain of salt. (Since my reads don't seem to be that accurate).

Now, I'm thinking out loud here. Bookwrym's silence doesn't strike me as alarming, yet. Here's why: if his target was cult, he/she would have been deprogrammed and would have been dead. The only one who died last night was barbark. So, bookwrym's target then was town (as of last night). So, I don't see how knowing who he targeted would be helpful at this point. (Please feel free to point out the flaws in my thinking).

So, that leaves us with (claimed) deprogrammar, vig, unknown CL and unknown tracker. (Perhaps the tracker should remain unknown.?) Also possibly two cult at this stage, if we are going on the assumption that we started with the CL and maybe one cult. But, the number we started with is still not known.

So, I remain suspicious of flubbucket and bookwrym. JMich has also made his way onto my radar. But, I need to consider this very, very carefully. I was wrong about RW. For town's sake, I can't afford to be wrong again.

His target isn't necessarily Town, unfortunately. It's possible he hit the CL, which would be awesome, but have the same apparent result as hitting Town.

However, if we have "confirmed" Town, we know that we can trust them. Theoretically.

That's why I want to hear who he targeted. I've got a small pool of people I'm leaning Town on, and I want to add his target to my pool.

So you're thinking about stuff or JMich is a bad guy??


Again, the vigilante shot is a tough call.

I understand, a little, the desire to use such a power. I admit I enjoy the swingy games with multi-kills or triggered events. Hindsight is useless, the deed is done.

Let's just not forget the potential for this townie to become cult.

Regarding Bookwyrm627, he needs to consider carefully how he proceeds.

What is a "confirmed" town??

What about the following Night phase when the potential for the same player to be cult is quite real??

In my opinion, about the only better outcome would be if he hit the CL. In this instance, the Vig is accounted for and we didn't lose a PR in the process.

I wondered who would be the first to ask.

I didn't target a cultist last night, and that is all you need to know.

I haven't seen anything since my D1 vote that would persuade me not to vote him, or that someone else deserves it more. Vote early, vote often. Drealmer is my second choice, for pretty much the reasons Agent outlined.

@ Docbear

Why, as a vigilante, you would have targeted Babark, JMich or RWarehall? As in, what would have been your reasons for killing each individual?

@ Ixamyakxim

I would have waited a day or two in regular mafia game. The whole cult thing rushed me into killing sooner rather than later.

By cultist, do you mean a cult member who is not the CL? That's what I assume but making sure. I think it's wise to keep your target a secret. There's a benefit to knowing most likely confirmed town for a day, but I think it's better to keep the CL guessing.

I originally thought that JMich's idea was a good idea. Makes sense to verify the only role we can guarantee will not become cult. RWarehall's argument that we must go after the CL at all costs seems like the better option. Some of the shortcomings of the former has also been pointed out.

So we are now likely at 8/2 or 7/3 in town vs. cult. My guess is the CL was on RWarehall's wagon. Of the other votes, Ixam seems town (or at least seemed town yesterday) and hopefully one of our two new players did not draw CL, although it's possible.

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It bothers me a bit that you used the emphasized portion as part of your defense. Your vote on RWarehall occurred before he cast a vote on himself. You couldn't have known that would happen when you voted.

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This also bothers me. While I agree that agent's vote was a turning point, it was a turning point because of RWarehall's reaction to agent's vote. I can't imagine agent or anyone else saw that self-vote coming.

@cristigale, you have two very good points here.

(and I mean that in the most lecherous and "go see Human Resources" way possible.)

agentcarr16 and drealmer now get a reread.

That is correct.