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stg83: The trailer certainly sets up Batman's motivation well for picking a fight with Supes but as expected Zack Snyder being a self proclaimed Batman fanboy this whole movie as well as the trailer completely short changed Superman. We don't even hear a single line of dialogue from Henry Cavil in the entire trailer, thus so far Snyder seems to be undermining any potential for character development for this version of Superman that was setup in Man of Steel.

I like Batman as much as anyone else but why do we always have to see him as the ultimate bad ass capable of beating other Superheroes that he is no match for in all honesty. Don't get me wrong I am still intrigued to see how the whole movie plays out but I am not over hyped for it like many are after watching this trailer. Also Jesse Eisenberg looks set to ruin every scene he is in with his take on Lex Luthor which is just him doing his schtick like in every other movie similar to "the Social Network" or "Now you see Me".

That "Red capes are coming" line delivery was absolutely atrocious and cringe worthy IMO, so far Eisenberg has only proven that the skepticism regarding his casting as Luthor was right and a mature actor like Bryan Cranston or John Hamm would have been the better choice instead.
I don't think he's going to "short change" Superman. For one thing, Superman already had a whole movie in this universe, but this version of Batman is all new, so he needs to be introduced, unlike Superman who already had a whole movie to set up is character. And the scene at the Planet about how "nobody cares about Clark Kent taking on the Batman" suggests the conflict is not one sided, and Superman might be coming after Batman too, seeing him as a dangerous vigilante (which would harken back to their first post-Crisis on Infinite Earths meeting).

As for Superman not speaking in the trailers, I think it's a very deliberate move. The first trailer especially was clearly set up to be the point of view of the people who fear and hate Superman. This trailer is less clear cut in that, but it still is all about how others perceive Superman, some as enemy, some as friend (Alfred is apparently no in agreement with Bruce here).

But I mostly agree with you on Lex. I hope the trailer makes it look worse than it is.
Post edited July 12, 2015 by Breja
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Breja: I don't think he's going to "short change" Superman. For one thing, Superman already had a whole movie in this universe, but this version of Batman is all new, so he needs to be introduced, unlike Superman who already had a whole movie to set up is character. And the scene at the Planet about how "nobody cares about Clark Kent taking on the Batman" suggests the conflict is not one sided, and Superman might be coming after Batman too, seeing him as a dangerous vigilante (which would harken back to their first post-Crisis on Infinite Earths meeting).
See I don't completely buy the explanation that this version of Batman is all new because although he is being reintroduced with yet another flashback sequence of a young Bruce screaming in agony as his parents get gunned down. But on the other hand Snyder and the writers are assuming that audiences be familiar with this Batman's legacy. Like the loss of people close to him such as Robin (Jason Todd) which the trailer hinted at with a message from the Joker. So some of the movie wouldn't make a lot of sense even for people that have watched all the previous Batman films including Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy which was a much different take on Batman as compared to the one we know from the comic books.

Infact this version of the Dark Knight is going to require atleast some prior knowledge and information from either the comics or the DC animated movies to clearly understand his past and current motivations at this point in time as the Caped Crusader. I find introducing an older version of the character to be a very odd choice for the new DC movie verse as while talking about the new trailer I had to explain to my sister about this bitter and jaded Batman because she isn't familiar with the comics like the Dark Knight Returns which this iteration is clearly inspired by.

Ofcourse I will withhold any judgement until I see the whole movie to determine whether Snyder and the writers did justice to both titular superheroes or the entire film is just another excuse to make Batman once again appear to be the ultimate hero that mankind has to offer, capable of neutralizing every other DC character and specifically the Superman who in his very first conflict successfully dealt with three super powered Kryptonians despite his inexperience. In other words I really hope there is a big baddie in the film apart from Luthor that justifies the combined efforts of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman.
Post edited July 13, 2015 by stg83
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stg83: I find introducing an older version of the character to be a very odd choice for the new DC movie verse as while talking about the new trailer I had to explain to my sister about this bitter and jaded Batman because she isn't familiar with the comics like the Dark Knight Returns which this iteration is clearly inspired by.
Well I assume it will all be explained in the movie for everyone to understand, though comic book fans will probably get more out of the movie than the casual audience. In fact, I applaud the idea of bringing in an older, different Batman with a unique backstory. It's risky, but that's what I like about it. They are doing something with those characters we have not seen in a movie before, and that is very welcome in a genre that is on the verge of oversaturating cinemas and TV.

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stg83: Ofcourse I will withhold any judgement until I see the whole movie to determine whether Snyder and the writers did justice to both titular superheroes or the entire film is just an excuse to make Batman once again appear to be the ultimate hero that mankind has to offer, capable of neutralizing every other DC character
I think You and everyone who fears this is going to be just Batman fanboy's fanfiction should look closely at the trailers and take heart- it's pretty clear this movie will be largely about Batman being WRONG. Very, very wrong about Superman, possibly about Luthor. Even Alfred tells him as much. That bit about rage and hopelessness turning good men cruel? That's not about Superman. It's about Bruce.
Post edited July 13, 2015 by Breja
The Suicide Squad trailer from Comic-Con is now up too:
edit: Ah bugger the leaked videos either get pulled, are fake, or have terrible quality.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xq2dn_trailer-oficial-de-esquadrao-suicida_tv
Post edited July 13, 2015 by SCPM
The trailer was amazing! I just hope they don't force the whole Wonder Women/Aqua Man thing.
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Breja: In fact, I applaud the idea of bringing in an older, different Batman with a unique backstory. It's risky, but that's what I like about it. They are doing something with those characters we have not seen in a movie before, and that is very welcome in a genre that is on the verge of oversaturating cinemas and TV.
In terms of an exciting new on screen representation of the character it is indeed a bold choice but if WB really wants to build a DC cinematic universe with these movies then an old Batman is not the best place to start for setting up a franchise especially when more superheros are going to be introduced in the planned Justice League films, I guess we'll just have to wait and see whether the gamble proves successful.

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Breja: I think You and everyone who fears this is going to be just Batman fanboy's fanfiction should look closely at the trailers and take heart- it's pretty clear this movie will be largely about Batman being WRONG. Very, very wrong about Superman, possibly about Luthor. Even Alfred tells him as much. That bit about rage and hopelessness turning good men cruel? That's not about Superman. It's about Bruce.
I am aware of all that you have mentioned from the trailer and as I said Batman's motivation for going after Superman is well explained. I just hope it doesn't come down to Bruce realizing the error of his ways only after beating Superman to a bloody pulp like in TDKR as indicated by the previous trailer with the "Tell me do you bleed? You will." line.
Post edited July 13, 2015 by stg83
Great trailer, i already want to see this movie.
I think Jesse Eisenberg is a good choice, I'm curious to see it. Lex Luthor needs a bit of something different, and to stay relevant, rather than just being standard megalomaniac "bond" villan. He could be a great character with a little more depth to his motivations.

I don't like hearing any beef with Zach Snyder, for Watchmen alone he's damn near irreproachable.
The official Suicide Squad trailer is now up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go
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SCPM: The official Suicide Squad trailer is now up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go
I just started a separate thread, to keep track of what we're talking about :)
First look at the new Batmobile for the movie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiHZS4QuP3E
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sasuke12: First look at the new Batmobile for the movie.
I thought Matt Damon was playing the Batmobile.
Another sneak peek at the movie.

Batman is captured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6as8ahAr1Uc
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sasuke12: Another sneak peek at the movie.

Batman is captured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6as8ahAr1Uc
That's not real Batman, it's just Ben Affleck fooling around. :P
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sasuke12: Another sneak peek at the movie.

Batman is captured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6as8ahAr1Uc
I'm betting this is some kind of "look into the worst case scenario future" showing what happens if the two of them keep fighting or something like that. I mean, we know they are not going to make Superman an actuall villain like in Injustice, not with Justice League movies coming up. And this looks very "post apocalyptic future".