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Wing Commander seriesLacking the Righteous Fire expansion?(35 posts)(35 posts)
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Posted June 03, 2011
I cannot believe I am going to say this. As someone who literally got the original Wing Commander when it came out (on my 386/SX/16 with 4 megs of RAM and a 40 meg hard drive), and also as someone who quite literally got every expansion and every sequel that came out, including Privateer and Privateer 2: The Darkening as well as Wing Commander Academy and Armada... I am not going to pick this up due to the lack of the Righteous Fire expansion.

It kills me to say that. I prize my WC collections, still have each and every one in its original box as well as the awesome Windows 95+ Kilrathi Saga that runs perfectly on Vista and 7. I say all of that because I truly love all of these games. I was in high school in the early 90s, and the amount of fun and excitement I got from them cannot be stated enough.

When I saw this announced just now (at work the entire day), I immediatly got my credit card, logged in to purchaes, and then realized that it did not list the expansion in the description, so I found myself in the forums here only to have to accept that, right now, I am going to hold off. If the expansion never comes, I'm sure that I'll pick this up on here eventually, but for now I am going to hold off.

It hurts more because I support GOG fully, love what they do. Nevertheless, if, say, the original Wing Commander does not have The Secret Missions and The Secret Missions 2: Crusade included, I will not be purchasing that, either. Special Operations 1 and 2 for WC2 as well.

I'll be keeping my eyes open for GOG to either eventually include Righteous Fire or even have it available to purchase by itself (fine by me), but until then, I'm holding off.
Posted June 03, 2011
So what is Righteous Fire?
Posted June 03, 2011
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nondeplumage: So what is Righteous Fire?
It was the expansion pack for Privateer. Added a lot more to the game and, of course, made a great game even better.
Posted June 03, 2011
Exact same feeling here as Pikaroth, I'm looking at my WC collection (I lost Kilrathi Saga duing a move so I hate you by the way :-)) and no, there's no way I'm getting Privateer as long as it doesn't include the expansion.

Am I a spoiled brat for doing this? Maybe :-)
Posted June 03, 2011
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nondeplumage: So what is Righteous Fire?
It's an expansion that continues the plot and adds bunch of stuff to the game.
RF adds quite a bit to the original package. You do get to retain all that you had gained in the first game...except for the alien gun, which gets stolen in the opening introductory animation sequence. The initial mission is to try and get it back, which leads on to others and so on. There were no patches released for the original game, and the modifications introduced by RF are more "nice to haves" than necessary, and are not retroactive - i.e., they don't change the original Privateer game.

There are three areas of change:

1) Kill breakdown: you can now see how many of the various types of factions' ships that you have knocked off. This also shows your current relationship to these factions. This is a great boon in trying to figure out how to restore friendly relations with some factions, as this is based on kill ratios that you have run up of one faction vs. another.

2) Ship enhancements: Seven enhancements for each major ship component except scanners. Some have very subtle or hard to detect changes, while others are really clear - like better shields and armour. These all cost but for those who have run up the bank accoutn in the original, these are all immediatly available.

3) Keyboard: there are now keys for increasing shield level step by step instead of having to wipe out your shields and then select highest setting to step backwards. There is also a key for setting throttle to maximum instead of having to hit the + key repeatedly.

Fine. Now what was that about plot again? Origin probably listened to the complaints about a lack of freedom to manouver in the game galaxy, and decided to produce a multi-thread parallel plot. There is still a start and end point, but at the beginning, there are several multi-mission episodes that can be done in any order. You still have to finish all the missions in one episode before starting another, but at least you can choose which order to do them in. Once past the plot mid-point though, and the epsiodes come in strict order again.

The main enemy this time are the retros - this isn't giving anything away, it becomes clear pretty quickly after a couple of conversations with the entertaining series of bar-tenders. There is also a new ship type - not particularily effective - that appears irregularily. Finding the people to start the episodes is not obvious - you actually have to go looking for them. Trying all the main haunts from the first game is a good start but not guarenteed. Taking the missions offered by the mechants, mercenaries and mission computers will take you there eventually - just remember to keep checking the bars.
Posted June 03, 2011
So like, now what? Do you just overpay for a physical version of the expansion pack. Or do you pirate it somewhere? EA sure doesn't seem to care, Don't see Gog caring much either. Guess they are much too worried about Witcher 2 stuff to bother with this website.
Posted June 03, 2011
1) Kill breakdown: you can now see how many of the various types of factions' ships that you have knocked off. This also shows your current relationship to these factions. This is a great boon in trying to figure out how to restore friendly relations with some factions, as this is based on kill ratios that you have run up of one faction vs. another.

2) Ship enhancements: Seven enhancements for each major ship component except scanners. Some have very subtle or hard to detect changes, while others are really clear - like better shields and armour. These all cost but for those who have run up the bank accoutn in the original, these are all immediatly available.

3) Keyboard: there are now keys for increasing shield level step by step instead of having to wipe out your shields and then select highest setting to step backwards. There is also a key for setting throttle to maximum instead of having to hit the + key repeatedly.
#1 and 3 are included in GOG's version, because it's the CD-ROM release rather than the original disk version. Origin added the keyboard changes and the kill breakdown to the original Privateer in that update.
Post edited June 03, 2011 by banditloaf
Posted June 03, 2011
Why do you guys automatically assume EA are being dicks and holding it back? You know they want your money so it's probably someone/thing else outside of EA preventing the inclusion of the expansion.

Buncha spoiled pricks.
Posted June 03, 2011
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Prydeless: Why do you guys automatically assume EA are being dicks and holding it back? You know they want your money so it's probably someone/thing else outside of EA preventing the inclusion of the expansion.

Buncha spoiled pricks.
EA bought Origin. Origin created and own Wing Commander. By all rights EA should own the RF expansion.

Do remember that this has happened before. Ubisoft put Ghost Recon on GOG, but without any expansions. That was their choice.

We are spoiled for wanting EA to release the total package are we? Am I spoiled for expecting DRM enabled DLC to work 20 years in the future?
Posted June 03, 2011
I'd like to know why they aren't including it. Who is holding it back? Why are they doing it? Is there any hope of it eventually being released?
Posted June 03, 2011
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Prydeless: Why do you guys automatically assume EA are being dicks and holding it back? You know they want your money so it's probably someone/thing else outside of EA preventing the inclusion of the expansion.
This. Seriously.

I realize not getting this expansion is kind of a downer, but I think a lot of people don't realize just how difficult licensing and obtaining the rights to things like this can be. I deal with licensing in a completely different industry and as easy as you'd think it is, it's extremely difficult to navigate through the different holders and interested parties when it comes to rights issues. I highly doubt GoG is going to outright give up on acquiring the expansions or any other licenses co-held by EA. It just takes time for many of these things to happen and I'm sure GoG came to the decision to give us some of the spoils now while they work on acquiring the rest.

We should be glad that GoG was successful to begin with in obtaining a large portion of EA's back catalog. It's a huge coup and it's only going to get better from here if you're patient enough.

Would you guy's rather that GoG take an all or nothing approach when it comes to getting the rights to these games, their expansions and their bonus content from publishers? Cause I can guarantee you that if they had taken such a stance from the beginning, we would not have nearly as many game available on this service as we do now.
Post edited June 03, 2011 by Whodares
Posted June 03, 2011
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Whodares: Would you guy's rather that GoG take an all or nothing approach when it comes to getting the rights to these games, their expansions and their bonus content from publishers? Cause I can guarantee you that if they had taken such a stance from the beginning, we would not have nearly as many game available on this service as we do now.
I prefer they have waited to release the full package. I think it is giving a wrong message. Moreover the full version was available all over the place on abandonware sites. Now it is not going to be the case anymore with the re-release on GOG so in a way instead of contributing to preserve gaming history GOG is somehow contributing to do the exact opposite :(.

I'm sure they mean well but please GOG continue to seek to obtain the right and let us know the bottom of story !
Posted June 03, 2011
Why is there such little faith in GOG? I'm sure they are trying to get the expansion, and when they get it they will put up for "free" as bonusmaterial for everyone who already bought Privateer.
I mean look at het broken sword games. The first game got an new version. That one's at GoG but the original version is also downloadble. Now with game number two they recently added the new version next to the original. It just takes a little time to get all the rights.

Besides it doesn't matter much wheter or not you got the expansion installed for the main game. All the updates in RF only worked if you played RF not the main game. (hell you had even to use another commando in DOS to start the expansion). So play the main game now and the expansion when it arrives.
Posted June 03, 2011
I have faith GOG will do everything in their power to obtain expansions and other bonuses for the games they are after.

I appreciate that the negotiation process takes time, I think as EA sees the sales come in for the games being released they will hopefully relent on keeping the best possible releases of their games from being held in their 'vault'.

I'd personally rather have the games out and available, this will show the market has interest for the product outside of forum banter. GOG's track record is to get these great features and give them FOR FREE to those who already purchased the game.
Posted June 03, 2011
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Prydeless: Why do you guys automatically assume EA are being dicks and holding it back? You know they want your money so it's probably someone/thing else outside of EA preventing the inclusion of the expansion.

Buncha spoiled pricks.
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Alyeska: EA bought Origin. Origin created and own Wing Commander. By all rights EA should own the RF expansion.

Do remember that this has happened before. Ubisoft put Ghost Recon on GOG, but without any expansions. That was their choice.

We are spoiled for wanting EA to release the total package are we? Am I spoiled for expecting DRM enabled DLC to work 20 years in the future?
EA also own System Shock and Syndicate, but GoG can't release them either. It's just an assumption on your part as to what EA is doing, unless you have some sort of evidence. Ghost Recon is a newer game and may not suffer the problems of how things were done with older games. I actually think EA are a bunch of dicks which is probably why whoever is holding back the release of RF MIGHT be doing it out of spite. Sure, GOG could give us more detail, but you know someone in the community will take it too far when they try to contact this person(s).

Now saying spoiled might be a little harsh and an overreaction on my part, but it feels like it the way some posts were written. Kind of like saying, why bother with GOG if they don't have TIE Fighter, Baldur's Gate, etc. right when they started their service. We had a good milestone with GOG getting EA to release its back catalog. It'll just take time and convincing to fill in the gaps. It's great that some of you already have the complete Privateer game, I wasn't even aware of PC gaming when it came out so I don't have a copy. I'll buy this with or without RF and enjoy it anyway. I'll shell out another 4 bucks if that's what it's going to take to get RF.

As for DRM'd DLC working 20 years in the future, knowing what you know now and if you continue buying the DLC, I'd say you would be plain stupid. It's why I don't buy anything on Steam that I foresee playing 5+ years down the line - when the gaming landscape could change further.
Post edited June 03, 2011 by Prydeless
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