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Faenrir: Just use a genesis (/megadrive) emulator...
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Retroguiden: Not when you want to play the superior Amiga version.
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Fezred: WinUAE is very easy to use. Far easier than DosBox and similar, I find.
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Retroguiden: I don't agree. Sure, Dosbox require som Dos knowledge but the scope of WinUAE makes it far more complicated. With that said those two emulators are both in the "complicated" category of emulators...
If i was to try again with an emulator, where would i find the original Speedball 2 that isn't a bit 'iffy' (i can find plenty of those)?
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Retroguiden: Not when you want to play the superior Amiga version.

I don't agree. Sure, Dosbox require som Dos knowledge but the scope of WinUAE makes it far more complicated. With that said those two emulators are both in the "complicated" category of emulators...
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mystikmind2000: If i was to try again with an emulator, where would i find the original Speedball 2 that isn't a bit 'iffy' (i can find plenty of those)?
Not sure what you mean by "iffy"..? But ebay might have a copy or two, I doubt it's hard to find copies downloadable on the internet but they won't be legal copies...
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mystikmind2000: If i was to try again with an emulator, where would i find the original Speedball 2 that isn't a bit 'iffy' (i can find plenty of those)?
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Retroguiden: Not sure what you mean by "iffy"..? But ebay might have a copy or two, I doubt it's hard to find copies downloadable on the internet but they won't be legal copies...
Well i use the term 'Iffy' because you cannot verify legality or functionality and i hate wasting my time on such copies, because experience shows that the first 10 i download will be duds, i mean, who has time for that??
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Faenrir: Just use a genesis (/megadrive) emulator...
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Retroguiden: Not when you want to play the superior Amiga version.
Which is, in no way, superior.
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Retroguiden: Not when you want to play the superior Amiga version.
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Faenrir: Which is, in no way, superior.
Guess it's a matter of opinion, but I'm pretty sure I have the majority with me on this one. ;)
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Faenrir: Which is, in no way, superior.
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Retroguiden: Guess it's a matter of opinion, but I'm pretty sure I have the majority with me on this one. ;)
What exactly do you feel is different in the amiga version ? That's a port as well anyway, original release was on Atari ST. I own both ST and megadrive versions and didn't feel it was any different...


The Amiga, Atari ST, DOS and Mega Drive versions are barely distinguishable from each other and either version is worthy of a look. The Commodore 64 version, which naturally has downgraded visuals, still keeps the great gameplay we all know and love. The game also went mobile as a version for the Gameboy and GameBoy Advance were released. The Gameboy version, while obviously monochromatic in presentation, is still a worthy attempt, while the GBA version is more colourful and polished. The Master System conversion plays similarly to its 16-bit Sega relative, but features slightly inferior graphics and sound.
http://retroactionmagazine.com/retroactionextra/retro-respect-speedball-2/
Post edited December 11, 2013 by Faenrir
Music often comes out differently and can stir the memory or make something feel 'wrong' to the player. The Amiga version of Dune (the first one) had much nicer music than any other version (excepting perhaps the special CD release which I think included the original true CD quality tracks by the composer instead). The sound can make a difference to the overall experience. All the more so if someone wants to take a trip down memory lane. Sometimes there can be other odd differences in responsiveness in port versions, etc. There's more to it than looks.
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Fezred: Music often comes out differently and can stir the memory or make something feel 'wrong' to the player. The Amiga version of Dune (the first one) had much nicer music than any other version (excepting perhaps the special CD release which I think included the original true CD quality tracks by the composer instead). The sound can make a difference to the overall experience. All the more so if someone wants to take a trip down memory lane. Sometimes there can be other odd differences in responsiveness in port versions, etc. There's more to it than looks.
Sometimes yes. However, i can't even spot any difference between the megadrive and amiga versions.
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Faenrir: Sometimes yes. However, i can't even spot any difference between the megadrive and amiga versions.
Seriously, you hear no difference between the two? Just watch gameplay videos on Youtube and compare Amiga and Megadrive/Genesis versions.
The music instruments are painful to hear (matter of taste, ok), sound effects are simplistic, and as in many non-Amiga versions of this game, it can't handle the dynamic crowd ambient sounds. Hell, so far I can't even hear the iconic "Ice cream!" sound...
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Faenrir: Sometimes yes. However, i can't even spot any difference between the megadrive and amiga versions.
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DarthKaal: Seriously, you hear no difference between the two? Just watch gameplay videos on Youtube and compare Amiga and Megadrive/Genesis versions.
The music instruments are painful to hear (matter of taste, ok), sound effects are simplistic, and as in many non-Amiga versions of this game, it can't handle the dynamic crowd ambient sounds. Hell, so far I can't even hear the iconic "Ice cream!" sound...
The "iconic" ice cream sound... that wasn't on Atari or most other versions...or if it was, the fact i didn't even remember it that much before playing this version means it didn't particularly strike me as iconic ;)
And i find pretty dumb and horribly boring and repetitive in this game.
Yeah...i couldn't care less about that sound, really. Anyway, i was talking about the gameplay, i don't really care that much about the sound and music as long as they sound good enough. Also, as stated before, the music sounds better on Atari.
Bit biased towards Amiga, guys...
Post edited December 14, 2013 by Faenrir
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DarthKaal: Seriously, you hear no difference between the two? Just watch gameplay videos on Youtube and compare Amiga and Megadrive/Genesis versions.
The music instruments are painful to hear (matter of taste, ok), sound effects are simplistic, and as in many non-Amiga versions of this game, it can't handle the dynamic crowd ambient sounds. Hell, so far I can't even hear the iconic "Ice cream!" sound...
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Faenrir: The "iconic" ice cream sound... that wasn't on Atari or most other versions...or if it was, the fact i didn't even remember it that much before playing this version means it didn't particularly strike me as iconic ;)
And i find pretty dumb and horribly boring and repetitive in this game.
Yeah...i couldn't care less about that sound, really. Anyway, i was talking about the gameplay, i don't really care that much about the sound and music as long as they sound good enough. Also, as stated before, the music sounds better on Atari.
Bit biased towards Amiga, guys...
If you're just about gameplay, you could also have big pixel blocks instead of player sprites, and a one color background... A game is not just about that, it's a whole, containing gameplay, its own world, graphics and sounds.

As for the Atari version, having not seen it for a while, I must admit that it looks real good and the music sound also very good. But unfortunately the sound effects are nothing but basic bleeps...

Like I said earlier, when it comes to nostalgia games, it's generally the version you played that you like the best. No problem here. But it seems you've already decided that Amiga gamers are just pompous snobs, and refused to see that Speedball 2 on Amiga was, objectively (it's not a point of view, really), the most advanced version. Kind of biased point of view too, isn't it?...
Post edited December 14, 2013 by DarthKaal
It is a point of view. Someone else might feel that the megadrive had better controls (the pad definitely crushes any Atari/Amiga joystick) while you feel amiga had better sounds.
All subjective.

The main fact remains. The original version came out on Atari.
Post edited December 14, 2013 by Faenrir
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Faenrir: It is a point of view. Someone else might feel that the megadrive had better controls (the pad definitely crushes any Atari/Amiga joystick) while you feel amiga had better sounds.
All subjective.

The main fact remains. The original version came out on Atari.
So now you're saying that "original version" means "superior version"?...
Ok, I see that this discussion is definitely going nowhere, I will go no further.

Oh, and just for you to know: you could actually use gamepads and even Megadrive pads on Amiga back then.
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Faenrir: It is a point of view. Someone else might feel that the megadrive had better controls (the pad definitely crushes any Atari/Amiga joystick) while you feel amiga had better sounds.
All subjective.

The main fact remains. The original version came out on Atari.
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DarthKaal: So now you're saying that "original version" means "superior version"?...
Ok, I see that this discussion is definitely going nowhere, I will go no further.

Oh, and just for you to know: you could actually use gamepads and even Megadrive pads on Amiga back then.
Where did i say this ? This topic is about the original version, not the "superior" version whatever you think it may be...
Are you a troll ? Spewing nonsense then saying "i will go no further"...lol.
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Faenrir: The "iconic" ice cream sound... that wasn't on Atari or most other versions...or if it was, the fact i didn't even remember it that much before playing this version means it didn't particularly strike me as iconic ;)
For the record, I'm fairly certain the "ice cream" soundbite was on the Atari ST version, because I've heard it and that's the only version I ever played. I think people mostly latched onto it because it was the only bit of dialogue in the game.

I recall the music being more awesome in the original - it's a shame they couldn't have picked up the rights for the remake. Minor gripe though.
Post edited February 15, 2014 by Bonedancer