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throgh: Yes correct: The favorites are in fact games like Thief, System Shock 2 and SpellForce. Running almost perfect even modded. But there are also other possibilities with Linux like setting up a hypervisor like Xen for installing and booting up Windows directly. With VGA- or PCI-Passthrough you could even reach almost 95% native performance so even a restart would not be needed at all. :-)
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0Grapher: I think sooner or later I'm going to install my old Windows 7 copy in a Virtual Machine or some other way and give the Witcher 3 a go. It's just that I think that this is the game that Linux has been lacking, so I'm pretty frustrated by the fact that no port is in sight and I'm very reluctant to buy Windows games. I'm not really familiar with the terms that you used so I can't say anything about that.
Here for a demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FthrTZtlGQ :-)
Sorry for the use of YouTube. Didn't find a better source for now. :(
Post edited September 03, 2016 by throgh
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throgh: Here for a demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FthrTZtlGQ :-)
Looks good, thanks. I think it's funny that the sound of Skyrim is more natural and clearer after being picked up from a speaker using a microphone than normally. Skyrim has some of the worst audio that I've come across, the worst being Dark Siders II.
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throgh: Sorry for the use of YouTube. Didn't find a better source for now. :(
Haha. You're the greatest! :D
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throgh: Here for a demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FthrTZtlGQ :-)
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0Grapher: Looks good, thanks. I think it's funny that the sound of Skyrim is more natural and clearer after being picked up from a speaker using a microphone than normally. Skyrim has some of the worst audio that I've come across, the worst being Dark Siders II.
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throgh: Sorry for the use of YouTube. Didn't find a better source for now. :(
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0Grapher: Haha. You're the greatest! :D
Here is a little bit more detailed information about the passthrough-technique: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Multiheaded-NVIDIA-Gaming-using-Ubuntu-14-04-KVM-585/

Don't have experience with the audiosystem of Skyrim, because it makes use of Steam and therefore I have never played it. Perhaps one day it will be DRM-free? :)
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throgh: snip
I'm going to check out your link, thanks.

Concerning Skyrim: You didn't miss anything, in my opinion. If you're into Bethesda games, Morrowind and Oblivion have got so many good aspects and things to offer that are simply not present in Skyrim and with mods you can achieve most of the things that Skyrim may do better.
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throgh: snip
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0Grapher: I'm going to check out your link, thanks.

Concerning Skyrim: You didn't miss anything, in my opinion. If you're into Bethesda games, Morrowind and Oblivion have got so many good aspects and things to offer that are simply not present in Skyrim and with mods you can achieve most of the things that Skyrim may do better.
....seriously? I am no Skyrim fanboy but....dude! Skyrim is fun and a must play for anyone who likes "getting lost" in an RPG world. Without any mods too. I never played more than 1 hour of Morrowind so I don't want to compare Skyrim with it, but Skyrim destroys Oblivion in every little thing. Combat, dungeons, size of world, even story. I spent about 100 hours on Oblivion and the last 60 I did because I was trying to find fun in the game. Plus the most boring, no, ANNOYING story in an RPG, with the spawning of gates and the wash and repeat going through them "missions". God by the end of it I hated the game.

I am not even going to talk about the graphics and audio for obvious reasons.
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0Grapher: I'm going to check out your link, thanks.

Concerning Skyrim: You didn't miss anything, in my opinion. If you're into Bethesda games, Morrowind and Oblivion have got so many good aspects and things to offer that are simply not present in Skyrim and with mods you can achieve most of the things that Skyrim may do better.
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trusteft: ....seriously? I am no Skyrim fanboy but....dude! Skyrim is fun and a must play for anyone who likes "getting lost" in an RPG world. Without any mods too. I never played more than 1 hour of Morrowind so I don't want to compare Skyrim with it, but Skyrim destroys Oblivion in every little thing. Combat, dungeons, size of world, even story. I spent about 100 hours on Oblivion and the last 60 I did because I was trying to find fun in the game. Plus the most boring, no, ANNOYING story in an RPG, with the spawning of gates and the wash and repeat going through them "missions". God by the end of it I hated the game.

I am not even going to talk about the graphics and audio for obvious reasons.
Would try to say: Every part of the "Elder Scrolls" has its advantages or disadvantages. For me: I love Morrowind and also Oblivion is nice. But the real problem is: Bethesda had done another decision having Steam as base for Skyrim. Instead leaving the decision to the customer, on which platform, they tell us where to go and what to use. THAT's the concurrent point and THAT's the reason I deny using any furthe product. They don't trust us, so why should I trust them? :)
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trusteft: ....seriously? I am no Skyrim fanboy but....dude! Skyrim is fun and a must play for anyone who likes "getting lost" in an RPG world. Without any mods too. I never played more than 1 hour of Morrowind so I don't want to compare Skyrim with it, but Skyrim destroys Oblivion in every little thing. Combat, dungeons, size of world, even story. I spent about 100 hours on Oblivion and the last 60 I did because I was trying to find fun in the game. Plus the most boring, no, ANNOYING story in an RPG, with the spawning of gates and the wash and repeat going through them "missions". God by the end of it I hated the game.

I am not even going to talk about the graphics and audio for obvious reasons.
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throgh: Would try to say: Every part of the "Elder Scrolls" has its advantages or disadvantages. For me: I love Morrowind and also Oblivion is nice. But the real problem is: Bethesda had done another decision having Steam as base for Skyrim. Instead leaving the decision to the customer, on which platform, they tell us where to go and what to use. THAT's the concurrent point and THAT's the reason I deny using any furthe product. They don't trust us, so why should I trust them? :)
I don't disagree with you about Steam, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the game. The game is great.
Also, you can do what I did and get the GOTY edition for the PS3. Steam problem solved.
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throgh: Would try to say: Every part of the "Elder Scrolls" has its advantages or disadvantages. For me: I love Morrowind and also Oblivion is nice. But the real problem is: Bethesda had done another decision having Steam as base for Skyrim. Instead leaving the decision to the customer, on which platform, they tell us where to go and what to use. THAT's the concurrent point and THAT's the reason I deny using any furthe product. They don't trust us, so why should I trust them? :)
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trusteft: I don't disagree with you about Steam, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the game. The game is great.
Also, you can do what I did and get the GOTY edition for the PS3. Steam problem solved.
No offense and that should be only my personal view: But companies like Bethesda only act in numbers. So sold units count, no matter what platform and the console is another thing, where games or data is not that good portable as on the PC or comparable systems. When I buy a game an another platform because of the DRM this doesn't help. Okay, I solved the problem for me but for Bethesda it is another unit sold so they won't change their course at all. But as I said: No offense and I did the same in the past for "Half Life 2" or better "The Orange Box" on the PS3. But it won't help at all and I will not repeat this as it is only support for the company instead bringing them near for a change on the PC as platform. :)

The game might be great, yes. But I deny to buy and other games are also good, having already no DRM. Perhaps they have not the best graphics or they are older, but that's no reason for me.
Post edited September 04, 2016 by throgh
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trusteft: I don't disagree with you about Steam, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the game. The game is great.
Also, you can do what I did and get the GOTY edition for the PS3. Steam problem solved.
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throgh: No offense and that should be only my personal view: But companies like Bethesda only act in numbers. So sold units count, no matter what platform and the console is another thing, where games or data is not that good portable as on the PC or comparable systems. When I buy a game an another platform because of the DRM this doesn't help. Okay, I solved the problem for me but for Bethesda it is another unit sold so they won't change their course at all. But as I said: No offense and I did the same in the past for "Half Life 2" or better "The Orange Box" on the PS3. But it won't help at all and I will not repeat this as it is only support for the company instead bringing them near for a change on the PC as platform. :)

The game might be great, yes. But I deny to buy and other games are also good, having already no DRM. Perhaps they have not the best graphics or they are older, but that's no reason for me.
That makes no sense. How does buying the game on the PS3 instead of Steam, sends the message to Bethesda that you want the game on Steam?
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throgh: No offense and that should be only my personal view: But companies like Bethesda only act in numbers. So sold units count, no matter what platform and the console is another thing, where games or data is not that good portable as on the PC or comparable systems. When I buy a game an another platform because of the DRM this doesn't help. Okay, I solved the problem for me but for Bethesda it is another unit sold so they won't change their course at all. But as I said: No offense and I did the same in the past for "Half Life 2" or better "The Orange Box" on the PS3. But it won't help at all and I will not repeat this as it is only support for the company instead bringing them near for a change on the PC as platform. :)

The game might be great, yes. But I deny to buy and other games are also good, having already no DRM. Perhaps they have not the best graphics or they are older, but that's no reason for me.
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trusteft: That makes no sense. How does buying the game on the PS3 instead of Steam, sends the message to Bethesda that you want the game on Steam?
It takes the focus away from the reason why your original bought the game for your console instead for your PC. For Bethesda the message is easy: One more customer on the PS3. They have no further interest on WHY you bought it. What would your answer be when they'd ask for? I would have bought this for the PC but the DRM was the reason for denying. So I take this and deny the product as a whole! When possible I want decide which platform and this is for Skyrim not possible.
Post edited September 04, 2016 by throgh
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trusteft: That makes no sense. How does buying the game on the PS3 instead of Steam, sends the message to Bethesda that you want the game on Steam?
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throgh: It takes the focus away from the reason why your original bought the game for your console instead for your PC. For Bethesda the message is easy: One more customer on the PS3. They have no further interest on WHY you bought it. What would your answer be when they'd ask for? I would have bought this for the PC but the DRM was the reason for denying. So I take this and deny the product as a whole! When possible I want decide which platform and this is for Skyrim not possible.
Sorry man, I mean this in the best possible way, this is insane. It makes no sense.

Bethesda does not take any purchase on the PS3 as a go ahead for more Steam/DRM. It's crazy to think that.
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throgh: It takes the focus away from the reason why your original bought the game for your console instead for your PC. For Bethesda the message is easy: One more customer on the PS3. They have no further interest on WHY you bought it. What would your answer be when they'd ask for? I would have bought this for the PC but the DRM was the reason for denying. So I take this and deny the product as a whole! When possible I want decide which platform and this is for Skyrim not possible.
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trusteft: Sorry man, I mean this in the best possible way, this is insane. It makes no sense.

Bethesda does not take any purchase on the PS3 as a go ahead for more Steam/DRM. It's crazy to think that.
No as I said this is no message for "Go ahead with DRM" but it takes the focus from the problem itself. We've bought the game, so the platform itself does not count and therefore the message for Bethesda is just "Go on with it and take the money!". Seems a little bit weird and insane? I know. But all count are sold units, differed by platform for better view what next to be supported or supported best as a decision. But that's it! And I don't want to give Bethesda any support or just deny the platform I prefer for a roleplaying game like Skyrim just because I think I need to play it - I don't need. :) This is some kind of self restriction in my point of view. The game is not working or released under unacceptable rules on my preferred platform? Okay, I'll take the console than. Yeah, sometimes it is really tempting to do so for games, but in fact I don't see more difference between Skyrim and Morrowin regarding basic mechanics. Only the setting and perhaps some details are changed, but in both games I can get my sword and hunt down for quests, monsters and more tasks - very much reduced. But Morrowind has NO DRM and got also a native port for Linux. Why should I even bother myself with a dongled newer one on a platform I don't want to accept or guiding my hero / heroine with a gamepad because it is not working for me on my preferred platform? Ah, not working for me and just because I want myself in need for this game I see no further way supporting Bethesda therefore on another platform. :)
Post edited September 04, 2016 by throgh
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I don't agree at all. About the 60 hours you tried finding fun in Oblivion: All my hours in Skyrim apart from maybe one or two were trying to find fun in that game but everything that was even remotely good about it was done better by other games I've played and I can't live with the NPCs, the voice acting, the "dialogue", the NPC interactions, the NPC behaviour, the "quests", the "guilds", the lack of guild halls, the lack of guild progression, the sound quality, the death animations, the spells, the map, the economy system, the lack of choices when the game expects me to do something that my character wouldn't do (Oblivion isn't that much better in this regard but completing the Dark Brotherhood was worth it at least), the lack of meaningful anything, the loot, the artifacts, the +x% buffs and perks, the enchantments, the towns, the dungeons, the trees, the color scheme, the lack of contrast, the lighting, the bow handling, the quest lines, the signposts pointing in the wrong direction, the quest markers, the pointless shouts, the way you get shouts, the crafting and alchemy system, and I could go on and on.
i can't get lost in Skyrim's world because no game that I remember has broken my immersion so violently and constantly as Skyrim does.
To me, Skyrim is probably like No Man's Sky. They aimed for over three hundred hours of playtime but I don't want to play five hours because I can't find any interesting dungeons, quests and NPCs because there are the same kinds of quests and shallow NPCs everywhere.
I don't mind Oblivion's story at all but I thought Skyrim's story was told like a b-movie (everything having to do with quests or NPCs, really, is) and "the dragons have returned and bring the end of the world" seemed to me more like a fanfic story of a ten year old (I probably came up with something similar at that age as well).

I hate "the wash and repeat going through them '[quests]". "Hey I lost my (generic and not at all) powerful sword (that's like every other one) in war thirty years ago and I'd love to see it again. Would you retrieve it for me? Thanks, the item is in the chest in the very last room of the dungeon that has been sealed for a long time on the opposite side of the country (all of which doesn't make any sense at all)" "Hey this is the civil war, so we naturally have to fo to the very last room of the dungeon that has been sealed for a long time on the opposite side of the country (which doesn't make any sense at all)" "We are the mage guild, where you learn magic, so we have to find the item is in the chest in the very last room of the dungeon that has been sealed for a long time on the opposite side of the country (which doesn't make any sense at all)". "Wanna be a bard? Being a bard means fetching the item is in the chest in the very last room of the dungeon that has been sealed for a long time on the opposite side of the country (which doesn't make any sense at all)".

I already wrote that I can't bear Skyrim's graphics because of the lighting, colour scheme and lack of contrast. What's good about Skyrim's audio? The sounds blend together so that I sometimes can't understand anything, The sound never seems like it actually comes from the direction it's coming from, the volume is unbalanced, Oblivion's music is better, the voice acting is atrocious, the sound quality is very bad (I assume their compression is very lossy and they had to get the game to about 5 gigabytes) resulting in very audible distortion and, I think, a high klirr factor (I tried not to use healing because the sound effect sounded like it was tearing my ears apart) - I've got very good ears, but the only time I've came across worse audio in that regard was in Dark Siders II.
It would be obvious to me if you wouldn't want to talk about the audio because it is so unacceptably bad in Skyrim.

Edit: corrected a sentence.
Post edited September 04, 2016 by 0Grapher
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0Grapher: I don't agree at all. About the 60 hours you tried finding fun in Oblivion: All my hours in Skyrim apart from maybe one or two were trying to find fun in that game but everything that was even remotely good about it was done better by other games I've played and I can't live with the NPCs, the voice acting, the "dialogue", the NPC interactions, the NPC behaviour, the "quests", the "guilds", the lack of guild halls, the lack of guild progression, the sound quality, the death animations, the spells, the map, the economy system, the lack of choices when the game expects me to do something that my character wouldn't do (Oblivion isn't that much better in this regard but completing the Dark Brotherhood was worth it at least), the lack of meaningful anything, the loot, the artifacts, the +x% buffs and perks, the enchantments, the towns, the dungeons, the trees, the color scheme, the lack of contrast, the lighting, the bow handling, the quest lines, the signposts pointing in the wrong direction, the quest markers, the pointless shouts, the way you get shouts, the crafting and alchemy system, and I could go on and on.
i can't get lost in Skyrim's world because no game that I remember has broken my immersion so violently and constantly as Skyrim does.
To me, Skyrim is probably like No Man's Sky. They aimed for over three hundred hours of playtime but I don't want to play five hours because I can't find any interesting dungeons, quests and NPCs because there are the same kinds of quests and shallow NPCs everywhere.
I don't mind Oblivion's story at all but I thought Skyrim's story was told like a b-movie (everything having to do with quests or NPCs, really, is) and "the dragons have returned and bring the end of the world" seemed to me more like a fanfic story of a ten year old (I probably came up with something similar at that age as well).

I hate "the wash and repeat going through them '[quests]". "Hey I lost my (generic and not at all) powerful sword (that's like every other one) in war thirty years ago and I'd love to see it again. Would you retrieve it for me? Thanks, the item is in the chest in the very last room of the dungeon that has been sealed for a long time on the opposite side of the country (all of which doesn't make any sense at all)" "Hey this is the civil war, so we naturally have to fo to the very last room of the dungeon that has been sealed for a long time on the opposite side of the country (which doesn't make any sense at all)" "We are the mage guild, where you learn magic, so we have to find the item is in the chest in the very last room of the dungeon that has been sealed for a long time on the opposite side of the country (which doesn't make any sense at all)". "Wanna be a bard? Being a bard means fetching the item is in the chest in the very last room of the dungeon that has been sealed for a long time on the opposite side of the country (which doesn't make any sense at all)".

I already wrote that I can't bear Skyrim's graphics because of the lighting, colour scheme and lack of contrast. What's good about Skyrim's audio? The sounds blend together so that I sometimes can't understand anything, The sound never seems like it actually comes from the direction it's coming from, the volume is unbalanced, Oblivion's music is better, the voice acting is atrocious, the sound quality is very bad (I assume their compression is very lossy and they had to get the game to about 5 gigabytes) resulting in very audible distortion and, I think, a high klirr factor (I tried not to use healing because the sound effect sounded like it was tearing my ears apart) - I've got very good ears, but the only time I've came across worse audio in that regard was in Dark Siders II.
It would be obvious to me if you wouldn't want to talk about the audio because it is so unacceptably bad in Skyrim.

Edit: corrected a sentence.
I am not going to read all this.
I will just take your first sentence.
Which is fine by me. Not all people can have the same taste.
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trusteft: I am not going to read all this.
I will just take your first sentence.
Which is fine by me. Not all people can have the same taste.
It's just funny that we hate the opposite games for the same reasons. What I'd be interested in is why you think Skyrim's audio is good in any way.