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Does this game have a plot twist that redeems the fact that you play as a god-fearing zealot?

I can understand games like Dungeon Keeper where you get to play the fun tongue-in-cheek kind of evil, but I can't understand a game where the purpose is to be the lame kind of evil, where you play as a moronic servant to your puerile master.
I'm guessing it's the same appeal as the Imperial Space Marines in Warhammer 40K.
Do we get to Burn the Heretics and Purge the Unclean as the 40k motto goes?
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mcneil_1: Do we get to Burn the Heretics and Purge the Unclean as the 40k motto goes?
I think that's part of the premise.
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mcneil_1: Do we get to Burn the Heretics and Purge the Unclean as the 40k motto goes?
Only if you use the Comfy Chair!!!

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JudasIscariot: Only if you use the Comfy Chair!!!

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So, you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions?
I hope not, that would be to generic a plot line. A real twist would be one in which you dont "redeem" yourself. Besides that if this game is set in a world where witches and demons are real then maybe there should be an inquisition. what made the real inquisition bad was it was killing innocent people because they were thought to be something that doesnt even exist, witches. If in this world witches and those sorts of things are real, and are responsible for the bad things happening then why not be an Inquisitor.
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himselfe: Does this game have a plot twist that redeems the fact that you play as a god-fearing zealot?

I can understand games like Dungeon Keeper where you get to play the fun tongue-in-cheek kind of evil, but I can't understand a game where the purpose is to be the lame kind of evil, where you play as a moronic servant to your puerile master.
Post edited August 30, 2012 by BabylonianKing
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BabylonianKing: I hope not, that would be to generic a plot line. A real twist would be one in which you dont "redeem" yourself.
It's not a twist if it follows the advertised plot to the letter.
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BabylonianKing: Besides that if this game is set in a world where witches and demons are real then maybe there should be an inquisition.
Replacing one implied evil with another actual evil. If the purpose of the game is to be evil then fair enough, but I'd rather play as the fun whimsical kind of evil, than the tediously moronic kind of evil.
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BabylonianKing: what made the real inquisition bad was it was killing innocent people because they were thought to be something that doesnt even exist, witches.
What made the real Inquisition bad was that people were being punished for imaginary crimes in the name of an imaginary being for the purpose of furthering the agendas of a wholly corrupt organisation. Even if witches had truly existed and were real criminals, the Inquisition would never have been a good thing.
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BabylonianKing: If in this world witches and those sorts of things are real, and are responsible for the bad things happening then why not be an Inquisitor.
Because being an Inquisitor is equally as bad, but instead of being honestly bad like witches and demons, Inquisitors are dishonestly represented as good.

The advertised plot of this game is akin to playing as an agent of the Ministry of State Security in North Korea, punishing dissidents during a famine caused by the Supreme Leader. That sort of inanity does not appeal to me, which is why I asked if there was a twist to the plot.
You should read the novel ;] Things do get more complicated when you take in account that there really are evil forces trying to get over the realm.
And you do not have to play as inquisitor, you can also play as a paladin of holy order, or simple thief trying to survive.
Post edited August 31, 2012 by sidzanuff
if it follows the advertised plot it wouldn't be a twist, fair enough.

If witches were real then the inquisition would have been good, witches were seen as a negative in all cultures, not just catholic europe. God or no god if witches were real you cant have people running around blatantly breaking natural and physical laws. But i think its better to not debate about the real inquisition as its not the point here, besides we both agree it was bad, though I think we disagree on why.

Your argument seems to be that all inquisitors are inherently evil, but are trying to hide it. And even if that were true (and i dont think it is) I dont see how that makes them worse than the blatantly evil demons running about slaughtering people. In this fantasy setting, there are evil things which are killing lots of people in a variety of ways, the prevailing institution, the church in this case, is trying to save these people. in this world it isnt mass hysteria, it isnt imagination, its really happening. To combat such evil an Inquisition is needed to find the people responsible for unleashing such problems. They are kind of like medieval detectives in that sense, looking for supernatural law breakers.
So I still fail to see the inherent evil of any inquisition.

I havent read the novel yet but im about to.
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BabylonianKing: I hope not, that would be to generic a plot line. A real twist would be one in which you dont "redeem" yourself.
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himselfe: It's not a twist if it follows the advertised plot to the letter.
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BabylonianKing: Besides that if this game is set in a world where witches and demons are real then maybe there should be an inquisition.
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himselfe: Replacing one implied evil with another actual evil. If the purpose of the game is to be evil then fair enough, but I'd rather play as the fun whimsical kind of evil, than the tediously moronic kind of evil.
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BabylonianKing: what made the real inquisition bad was it was killing innocent people because they were thought to be something that doesnt even exist, witches.
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himselfe: What made the real Inquisition bad was that people were being punished for imaginary crimes in the name of an imaginary being for the purpose of furthering the agendas of a wholly corrupt organisation. Even if witches had truly existed and were real criminals, the Inquisition would never have been a good thing.
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BabylonianKing: If in this world witches and those sorts of things are real, and are responsible for the bad things happening then why not be an Inquisitor.
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himselfe: Because being an Inquisitor is equally as bad, but instead of being honestly bad like witches and demons, Inquisitors are dishonestly represented as good.

The advertised plot of this game is akin to playing as an agent of the Ministry of State Security in North Korea, punishing dissidents during a famine caused by the Supreme Leader. That sort of inanity does not appeal to me, which is why I asked if there was a twist to the plot.
Post edited August 31, 2012 by BabylonianKing
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BabylonianKing: If witches were real then the inquisition would have been good, witches were seen as a negative in all cultures, not just catholic europe.
Replacing one evil with another is never a good thing. Crime is real, that does not make Totalitarianism a good thing.

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BabylonianKing: Your argument seems to be that all inquisitors are inherently evil, but are trying to hide it. And even if that were true (and i dont think it is) I dont see how that makes them worse than the blatantly evil demons running about slaughtering people.
Lets not forget what the plot of this game actually is, I'm not sure why you're going on about witches and evil demons. The advertised plot of this game is (and I quote):

Ultherst was once a peaceful, God-fearing land until the Three Scourges of God came to pass as foretold by Saint Ezekiel, one of the twelve followers of the First Prophet. First came the famine that devasted the populace. Next came the plague that added more unfortunate souls on Death’s abacus. Finally came the great rain of fire, and death fell down on sinner and innocent alike, blood flooding the streets in place of water. The people, in their desperation, turned away from the Holy Mother Church and delved deep into pagan decadence or succumbed to the temptation of the Devil.
The so called one true god brought down his wrath on the populace and caused the suffering, which encouraged them to turn away from the faith. And your job is:

You have been charged with the office of Inquisitor. It is up to you to investigate crimes against the one true faith and root out heresy--using any and all means necessary.
It does not say "rescue the people from evil demons", it says use any means necessary to punish people for disobeying the "one true faith" and root out heretics.

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BabylonianKing: In this fantasy setting, there are evil things which are killing lots of people in a variety of ways
Yes, and according to the plot your job is to be one of those things.

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BabylonianKing: in this world it isnt mass hysteria, it isnt imagination, its really happening. To combat such evil an Inquisition is needed to find the people responsible for unleashing such problems.
As is clearly implied by the plot there is only one being responsible: 'God'.

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BabylonianKing: So I still fail to see the inherent evil of any inquisition.
Then perhaps you're not the best person to debate about this. Arguing with a blind man about the way something appears is redundant at best.
Perhaps its not best to insult a man who disagrees with you simply because he sees things differently.

concerning the line "scourges of god" i think you may be misunderstanding that statement. "of" does not necessarily mean that the origin of the scourge is god, it may be a phrase which causes ambiguity in the meaning. Consider the following: Caeser conqueror of Gaul, or even better Attila scourge of god. Does "of" signify the origin of Caeser as being Gaul, or does it mean it was Caeser was the one who conquered it? Does the "of" in Attila's title mean he is from god no the title was given with the meaning he was a scourge on god because of what he did to the roman empire. Thus the "three scourges of god" may well be the three scourges upon god, or more so his people. Thus its more likely the devil mentioned in plot is more likely the source of the evil, it is after all a devil.

as to the line about there being no demons, the quote you gave me mentions the devil, if there is a devil there are probably demons not far behind. Granted witches weren't mentioned.

And again you say the inquisition (the games inquisition not the real one mind you) is evil, simply because of its name, or because you assume that the situations and historical realities of the real world somehow apply to a fantasy setting.

edit: oh and let me add because crime is real does not make totalitarianism good. indeed that is the case, but what your arguing is more along the lines of: just because crime is real we shouldnt have a police force because police are more evil but are are dishonestly represented as good.
Post edited August 31, 2012 by BabylonianKing
And so i just pre ordered. I will be looking through all the cool stuff shortly. Figure out exactly once going on in this crazy world of inquisitor.
I really would like you to read the novel, then we could talk more about why inquisition seems to be necessary. The way I see it, it's just a necessary evil, because if not for them, there would be no one to fight those hellish forces. I think it's proper to compare them to police, some times coorrupted, but neverthless, necessary.
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BabylonianKing: Perhaps its not best to insult a man who disagrees with you simply because he sees things differently.
Please don't take what I said as an insult, you yourself said you fail to see my rational, what is lack of sight if not blindness?

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BabylonianKing: concerning the line "scourges of god" i think you may be misunderstanding that statement. "of" does not necessarily mean that the origin of the scourge is god, it may be a phrase which causes ambiguity in the meaning.
"death fell down on sinner and innocent alike" - It is context that gives meaning, and there is no ambiguity in the context. You can invent alternative interpretations to almost any passage, but interpretations do not change the meaning of what is said, they only show the bias of those who hold them.

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BabylonianKing: Thus the "three scourges of god" may well be the three scourges upon god, or more so his people. Thus its more likely the devil mentioned in plot is more likely the source of the evil, it is after all a devil.
What is the devil except an agent of God?

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BabylonianKing: And again you say the inquisition (the games inquisition not the real one mind you) is evil, simply because of its name, or because you assume that the situations and historical realities of the real world somehow apply to a fantasy setting.
No, have you paid absolutely no attention to what I've been saying? I'm not even the one that brought up the real inquisition, the real inquisition is inconsequential, this is a game based in a fantasy setting. The name means nothing, I am basing my opinions on what is described in the plot.

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BabylonianKing: but what your arguing is more along the lines of: just because crime is real we shouldnt have a police force because police are more evil but are are dishonestly represented as good.
That is absurd. To state that Totalitarianism is not the answer to crime is not to state there should be no law or policing. I used North Korea's secret police as an analogy because they are specifically akin to the role of an inquisitor. They root out dissidents and enemies of the state, they do not serve the people or act in the interests of the people, they act in the interests of the Supreme Leader. It is preposterous to conclude that an argument against a corrupt secret police force is an argument against all policing.