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Weak atheist, agnostic, whatever. The mysteries of the universe are just too complex for my frail mind to grasp.
Post edited February 09, 2010 by Kaidane
Very liberal Christian
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Kaidane: Weak atheist, agnostic, whatever. The mysteries of the universe are just too complex for my frail mind to grasp.

That's pretty much where I fall in the scheme of things as well.
Kneel before the awesomeness.
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Post edited February 09, 2010 by HampsterStyle
Pastafarian
"Together with Helios, administrate the world with absolute knowledge and reason."
"If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent him."
--Voltaire
Taken in the context of the game, religion is one of the main enduring "conspiracies' of civilized human-kind.
As a side note, I've always felt that game's ending was best served in whole with all three possible endings as opposed to just one of the possible story branches. One could argue that it was meant to be digested in that manner.
Post edited February 09, 2010 by HampsterStyle
Not sure, agnostic I guess? I was baptized catholic if that counts but I haven't been to church since I was about 8 and have ceased to care.

Peace be upon His meatballs. Ramen.
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Cambrey: I gave you my opinion, perhaps my own definitions.

Words are simply a medium for the communication of ideas. An essential part of this is that a word carries the same meaning between the person communicating it and the person it is being communicated to: hence common definitions. The alternatives are to punctuate every sentence with "and by X I actually mean Y" or simply coming across like you have no idea what you're talking about.
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DarrkPhoenix: An essential part of this is that a word carries the same meaning between the person communicating it and the person it is being communicated to: hence common definitions.

This is where I disagree. You are talking about uniformization. And I still fail to understand why that would be an essential part of communication. Simple example : I've been debating lately with a teacher about the definition of racism. Your definition of racism in America is not the same definition of racism in France. One word carries 2 different meanings. We acknowledged each others opinion but never came to an agreement. And you know what ? That was perfectly fine. We communicated just fine despite our radically opposed point of view.
To be honest I'm not entirely sure. I suppose I'm an atheist but I like to think God did all this evolution stuff to hide his tracks, because he doesn't want people to know he exists. I don't know.
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Cambrey: One word carries 2 different meanings.

No that's not true at all, word's always have at the most 1 meaning. And by word's I mean cheeseburgers. And by meanings I mean slices of cheese.
OK, that was just silly.
If we start chucking away the established meanings of words then as has been said, communication will fall to pieces and any chance of a decent debate will just lapse in to one of semantics and that's just dull.
Take your discussion about racism for example, I'll make assumptions as to how that chat went and apply it to a similar debate that has happened over in the UK. Correct me if it doesn't apply.
Over here, down in London the term "paki" short for Pakistani is a very offensive and racist word. As I understand from some of my friends up north, there - not so much. People might say "I'm off to the paki shop to get some crisps" or something. Now, the question as to whether it should be considered racism to use this term is entirely valid, but not once does that question what racism is at its core. Racism is a clearly defined word.
I get the impression that you're arguing about the beliefs/non-beliefs of people that claim to be agnostic whereas Navagon is simply saying "hold on, this is what agnostic means, you may have the wrong end of the stick".
After all, I could claim that I'm a female Nigerian track and field athlete till I'm blue in the face, claiming that we have different understandings of what those words mean. I'd be wrong, I'm a male Jewish fat lazy sod and semantics simply won't help me there.
In response to the OP - I guess technically I'd need to consider myself a weak atheist agnostic as anyone wanting to be even vaguely scientific should. It's very difficult/impossible to prove the absence of something so in that respect one really has to be agnostic about the possibility of a deity, but I always feel that religious folk use that as a reason to say "ahhhh y'see, you don't really know". However, I'm agnostic-atheist about God(s) in much the same way as I'm agnostic about the tooth fairy and unicorns and gorgeous women that want to have sex with me. There's not one shred of evidence to prove they exist and as such I lack any belief that they do, as opposed to actively having faith that they do not.
Post edited February 09, 2010 by Nafe
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Cambrey: You are talking about uniformization.

I am talking about communication. If you say a word intending it to mean one thing and the person you are talking to thinks it means something else then you have failed to communicate. If you commonly do this and refuse to even acknowledge that it is a failure of communication then you're going to have problems communicating with people for the rest of your life. Not a good situation to be in.
I don't believe in any gods or anything else considered supernatural.
Atheist here. Agnostic(weak) Atheist if you want to qualify it a bit more.
I'm also in the camp that places 'agnostic' as not an option/answer in itself.
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Ois: Atheist here. Agnostic(weak) Atheist if you want to qualify it a bit more.
I'm also in the camp that places 'agnostic' as not an option/answer in itself.

Oh but it can be. I'm agnostic, I suppose. I fully admit that I do and probably will not know and that it's in a way pointless (except for peace of mind, I suppose) to firmly adopt any stance on divinity. Also, I don't care at all. How I live my life will not in any way be influenced by the presence or absence of any divine entity/organisation/judgement. So, what would that make me, besides agnostic?
Post edited February 10, 2010 by LordCinnamon