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I believe in nurturing and valuing that which matters to me, while being open towards and respecting that which matters to others.
In the end, for me, I believe it is best to believing nothing. I do think the scientific method and common logic sense has a lot going for them though. As you can tell, I'm not a pious man myself. To each his own.
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Navagon: don't care what others think, then that's fine with me.

I never said I don't care about what others think. I said that we both have different definition, and I also said that I was perfectly fine with that. And next time you want to debate, don't draw your wikipedia link as fast as you can, like it's an absolute truth.
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Navagon: Ah, finally. Maybe putting it in picture form will help explain it to people. :D
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Arteveld: BUT, i have to state, i do not believe in weak/strong atheism, if one believes there is no god, the only meaning "weak/strong" makes, is that one states a belief, and the other states a fact. Therefore strong atheism is not a belief, but sheer stupidity, and that does not close on atheism of course. If one states that something surely exists, without any proof, he or she, is a fool.
Three options, either one believes in a god/gods, or he believes that there is no god/are no gods, or he doesn't care. Though the latter would state no religion. ;)

The difference between strong atheism and weak atheism is the level of faith. A strong atheist has faith in his/her belief that there is no god. Just like a strong theist has faith in their belief that their definitely is a god.
It does not mean they are stupid. Many strong atheists are aware that they are taking a faith position, just as many theists are aware that they are taking a faith position. Often that position of faith comes from a particular set of life experiences that "proves" to a particular person that there must or must not be a god.
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Gundato: While those definitions ARE (probably) true, the argument that follows isn't.
The picture argues that not being sure if you know or not makes you an atheist. The counter could also be said (not knowing if you believe makes you a theist).
So while the generally used phrase "I'm Agnostic" is probably used incorrectly, Agnosticism is still an option. If you are truly unsure as to whether or not you need to put an "a" in front of your "theist", that is a category.

Belief. That's what it comes down to. Anyone that shaky clearly lacks belief. They may not want to admit it. In fact, if they're that shaky, I'd be amazed if they did admit it. But it doesn't change anything.
They could go to church every Sunday, but if they're completely unconvinced either way then they clearly don't believe there is a god.
Being atheist, I don't subscribe to any religion.
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barleyguy: The difference between strong atheism and weak atheism is the level of faith. A strong atheist has faith in his/her belief that there is no god. Just like a strong theist has faith in their belief that their definitely is a god.

Ohm, then let's add "medium", "true", "hardcore" and such? Come on, "i'm a level 10 atheist, therefore i'm more faithful than you"? Levels of faith are dumb.;P
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barleyguy: It does not mean they are stupid. Many strong atheists are aware that they are taking a faith position, just as many theists are aware that they are taking a faith position. Often that position of faith comes from a particular set of life experiences that "proves" to a particular person that there must or must not be a god.

That's not what i've said, please read in the context of what was said, and what i've commented, which was Navagon's: "Strong atheists claim outright that there is no god. Weak atheists simply don't have any belief in god(s). "
Thank You.
All hail the mighty C64. Infidels must die.
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Gundato: While those definitions ARE (probably) true, the argument that follows isn't.
The picture argues that not being sure if you know or not makes you an atheist. The counter could also be said (not knowing if you believe makes you a theist).
So while the generally used phrase "I'm Agnostic" is probably used incorrectly, Agnosticism is still an option. If you are truly unsure as to whether or not you need to put an "a" in front of your "theist", that is a category.
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Navagon: Belief. That's what it comes down to. Anyone that shaky clearly lacks belief. They may not want to admit it. In fact, if they're that shaky, I'd be amazed if they did admit it. But it doesn't change anything.
They could go to church every Sunday, but if they're completely unconvinced either way then they clearly don't believe there is a god.

Belief. that's what it comes down to. Anyone that shaky clearly has belief. They may not want to admit it. In fact, they're that shaky, i'd be amazed if they did admit it. But it doesn't change anything.
They could sleep in every Sunday, but if they're completely unconvinced either way then they clearly believe there is a god.
You see what I did there? :p.
That is the problem. I fully agree that most of the "true" Agnostics believe one way or the other. But there is still the number who truly don't know if they believe or not. They may lean one way or another (or may be perfectly centered), but they still aren't convinced either way.
I can't imagine anyone who would truly fall into that category, but there are likely many.
So next time someone claims they are agnostic, keep in mind that you actually CAN be agnostic. They probably aren't, but you never know...
Let's pretend that last one was a clever comment and not a compete accident I realized right before hitting "post" :p
Pastafarian, of course. His faith is too delicious to not like.
Well, actually, according to Wikipedia I would be... some kind of... agnostic. Strong? Weak? Theist? Atheist? (It's flagged for original research). I don't really care. The Universe is a quite intricate thing, so there may or may not be a God that created it, but in the end I find the question to be irrelevant to me. I do know I don't believe in a "caring" God, but that's as far as I'm willing to think about it.
Nuwaubianism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubianism
edit: Two stars :)
Post edited February 09, 2010 by sk8ing667
Atheist, but with goodwill towards many aspects of (catholic) Christianity.
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Cambrey: And next time you want to debate, don't draw your wikipedia link as fast as you can, like it's an absolute truth.

Effective communication in any form requires conformity to established rules and definitions. You don't have to like it.
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Navagon: Effective communication in any form requires conformity to established rules and definitions.

Because you think you had an "effective communication" ?. lol. Whatever makes you happy.
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Navagon: You don't have to like it.

I agreed with that, since the beginning.
Post edited February 09, 2010 by Cambrey
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Zeewolf: All hail the mighty C64. Infidels must die.

Oh, i forgot that, how could i!
I have to add "8-bit" then! :P
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Jaime: Atheist, but with goodwill towards many aspects of (catholic) Christianity.

What are those? I mean, goodwill aspects that are Catholic, and not Christian?
[edit] Seems we have a new UK vs France war on a rise! ;P Ease up fellows! [/edit]
Post edited February 09, 2010 by Arteveld
...and the direction some posts in this thread have gone is exactly why most public forums do not allow the discussion of Religion. Its a hot button topic that can often degenerate very badly.