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anoffday: This is a good sale. Just picked up TA and considering RCT Deluxe. How's TA: Kingdoms?
Well... it's certainly different - for instance, there's only one resource instead of the two in TA.
Mostly, it's a nice game (as it inherited the gameplay of TA, and the fantasy setting gives it a new, fresh twist), but it's unfortunately marred by several flaws, such as a painful lack of shortcuts or the all-too-often outright ridiculous pathfinding (c'mon, TA was bad enough at times, but units at least didn't tend to bump into each other on an open plain). Also, I recall there are some balancing issues as well. All in all, it looks like a rushed release with some of its flaws never patched.
But anyway, if you can put up with its shortcomings, it IS a fun game to play.
Nice promo!

Picked up Darklands and B17...
Nice sale indeed ;)
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tburger: If you have some spare time - take a "look". I've tested in on WC1, Red Baron and SQ - sounds very good to me - but again - I have no comparison to the real hardware
Thanks, I might try that later.

In the meantime, I checked some youtube videos ("munt" "mt-32") released in 2011, and overall they sounded pretty good. Some sound a bit glitchy, ie. some instruments are too quiet, or play too long etc., but overall it seems to give quite a good idea what the real thing sounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jih4a77RUY

This was a rather easy example, even non-MT-32 units could play its music quite good with MT-32 compatibility mode, e.g. Roland Sound Canvas (in which the WC music sounds even better than on MT-32). But the important thing is that Munt seems to get the sound effects correctly, which is what was missing in those "MT-32 compatible" units.

I wonder if Munt gets now the sound effects in Ultima Underworld correct as well, ie. you get actual foot thumps when you move around, not e.g. piano sounds?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2hJADz0c-M

A more demanding example I think. Overall quite good, but some glitches as far as I can tell. For example in the very beginning with Sierra logo, there is some low descending sound which doesn't get cut out like the rest of the sounds, that I don't think is there with CM-32L And some other glitches/differences later, but they seem rather minor.

Also, I can't be 100% sure if some of those are actually how it sounds on a real MT-32, because in some cases MT-32 and CM-32L/LAPC-1 might sound a bit different (some games were optimized for LAPC-1, some early ones for MT-32). But, they sounded like glitches to me, I presume MT-32 didn't have them either.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoQ_TJ0szXg

In places a bit glitchy as far as I can tell, but not too badly.


I think one of the things Munt was missing before were the reverb modes of the real thing, which made many music sound quite flat compared to the original (albeit, in some MT-32 games the reverb mode was overused quite a lot). If I read right some Youtube comments, current Munt should already support them, which is good news.

Three demanding games I want to try with Munt are Strike Commander (Origin), A-10 Tank Killer intro (Dynamix; this one overused the reverb mode quite a bit, but had lots of ooomph in it) and Nova 9 (Dynamix), If they sound fine to me, then I consider Munt a good enough replacement for the real unit.

I'd like to try Lethal Weapon as well, but I've been unable to get it run under DOSBox. I think it was a buggy game already in real DOS, e.g. if you selected Roland music and not Adlib/SB, you wouldn't get past the intro. :)

Maybe my CM-32L will indeed go to the storage soon. :) I don't know if I'd have stomach to actually selling it, it might be worth something still. But maybe not, I've been actually eyeing to buy a Roland SC-55 MIDI module beside it, because my current SCC-1 is an ISA card, hence can't be used with modern PCs with DOSBox through an USB MIDI cable.
Post edited March 24, 2012 by timppu
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timppu: I don't know if I'd have stomach to actually selling it, it might be worth something still. But maybe not, I've been actually eyeing to buy a Roland SC-55 MIDI module beside it, because my current SCC-1 is an ISA card, hence can't be used with modern PCs with DOSBox through an USB MIDI cable.
I testet SQ1 VGA on current release of MUNT and it sounds MUCH better than on this youtube video you attached.
You know there are industrial motherboards on the market that are equipped with ISA slot but capable of running modern components. Expensive, hard to get - not sure how they work but..
http://www.bsicomputer.com/new/industrial_mb/motherboard_index.htm#1
Post edited March 24, 2012 by tburger
What a coincidence! ;)

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/rbcun/one_of_the_greatest_games_of_all_time/
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tburger: I testet SQ1 VGA on current release of MUNT and it sounds MUCH better than on this youtube video you attached.
Yeah, I noticed the Youtube videos were published actually earlier in 2011 than the new Munt release was dated. Very nice if it has indeed progressed also from those Youtube videos, because even they weren't that bad (the Wing Commander video sounded pretty much like playing on real MT-32, I think).

I'm right now setting up the new Munt on Win7. I have the older one running on another PC, in XP. Which way did you use to set up in Win7?

Option #1 - Driver "mt32emu_winMMdrv"

Option #2 - Standalone Application "mt32emu" via MidiYoke Junction
Post edited March 24, 2012 by timppu
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timppu: snip
XP here - but I see Win7 steps in Option 1 are pretty much the same.
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timppu: snip
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tburger: XP here - but I see Win7 steps in Option 1 are pretty much the same.
Damn, since I was just going to ask you where the heck do I change the "MIDI Device Output" in Win7? I know where to do it in XP, but not where in Win7.

At least I don't see it under Control Panel => Sound. I guess I need to google more, I just hope it is not disabled or something on this PC.
Post edited March 24, 2012 by timppu
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tburger: XP here - but I see Win7 steps in Option 1 are pretty much the same.
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timppu: Damn, since I was just going to ask you where the heck do I change the "MIDI Device Output" in Win7? I know where to do it in XP, but not where in Win7.

At least I don't see it under Control Panel => Sound. I guess I need to google more, I just hope it is not disabled or something on this PC.

EDIT: Actually now I seem to remember reading that Microsoft, in its eternal wisdom, removed the ability to change the MIDI output device selection in Vista (and apparently Win7), and in order to do that, you have to use some 3rd party software.

Then again, when I try to access such pages from google that are supposed to offer such apps, my virus scanner blocks those sites as being a security threat. Go figure.
http://www.sierrahelp.com/Utilities/SoundUtilities/PutzlowitschsVistaMIDI_Mapper.html
Thanks. Since I am not sure if that Vista utility works the same in Win7, I decided to use these registery edit instructions instead:

http://www.sevenforums.com/sound-audio/47324-changing-midi-output-device-sb-xfi-midi-8080-a.html

(the reply by "Techaudiophile1")

I think I got it to change it to MT-32 Synth now in DOSBox. Too bad I now need to edit the damn registery whenever I want to change between MT-32 emulator or the default MS General MIDI/GS software synth.

Stupid Microsoft... Anyway, now to test some MT-32 enabled games on DOSBox.
Post edited March 24, 2012 by timppu
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timppu: snip
According to
http://akkordwechsel.de/15-windows-vista-und-der-midi-mapper/
it works in Windows 7.

I don't think you need to change sth in DOSBox as it just passes data to Windows Midi device - so if it's MUNT - than it's ok. I never changed anything in DOSBox itself - just chose a MT-32 in game setup.
OK, good luck, I'm going to bed. Write about your experiments :-)
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tburger: I don't think you need to change sth in DOSBox as it just passes data to Windows Midi device - so if it's MUNT - than it's ok. I never changed anything in DOSBox itself - just chose a MT-32 in game setup.
Yeah, I meant that changing the registry changed my system so that now DOSBox (or any Windows app which would try to play MIDI) utilized the MT-32 synth driver, instead of the default MS General MIDI/GS Softsynth driver. Same that happens when in XP I'd change the driver from Control Panel => MIDI Output Device or whatever it was.

Anyway, we'll see...
Master of Magic or Master of Orion? I need to control myself to not get both :P
And my backlog will grown even more with Star Control's and Alone in the Dark's (maybe). I still need to play the Baldur's Gate I installed on my notebook.
Post edited March 25, 2012 by andrestv
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andrestv: \Master of Magic or Master of Orion? I need to control myself to not get both :P
Give into temptation. You know you want to. ;) Seriously though, that's some serious gaming value there for a measly six bucks.