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honorbuddy: You have a valid point, I already agreed with you, but I don't think any stickers are being put anywhere. It's as if you're going to buy a computer at some store, and another customer tells you that he saw it cheaper somewhere else, is that not fair play? Again, this is all as long as it's done in moderation, I have also noticed that it has kind of gotten out of hand as of late.

Personally, I'd love for a mod to lock, delete and bitch-slap everyone who advertises for Steam on here. Not because it's kinda obnoxious to advertise a competing publisher (though I suppose it is), but because Steam is exactly the kind of thing gamers shouldn't support if they don't want the future of gaming to be nothing but user-hostile, pseudo-license-based, first-sale-violating shit.
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honorbuddy: You have a valid point, I already agreed with you, but I don't think any stickers are being put anywhere. It's as if you're going to buy a computer at some store, and another customer tells you that he saw it cheaper somewhere else, is that not fair play? Again, this is all as long as it's done in moderation, I have also noticed that it has kind of gotten out of hand as of late.
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Disconnected: Personally, I'd love for a mod to lock, delete and bitch-slap everyone who advertises for Steam on here. Not because it's kinda obnoxious to advertise a competing publisher (though I suppose it is), but because Steam is exactly the kind of thing gamers shouldn't support if they don't want the future of gaming to be nothing but user-hostile, pseudo-license-based, first-sale-violating shit.

No, they are not a competitor. GOG specializes in games we might actually have a genuine interest in. Steam just sells whatever crap that makes them money.
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Wishbone: Also, I see it as slightly disrespectful to GOG to use their forum for advertising their competition.

This is exactly how I feel.
Discussion about steam in general is ok but no need to echo every offer they got over in this place. It's actually really annoying.
Post edited March 25, 2009 by Lenny
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michaelleung: No, they are not a competitor. GOG specializes in games we might actually have a genuine interest in. Steam just sells whatever crap that makes them money.

What about Simon the sorcerer 3d?
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honorbuddy: You have a valid point, I already agreed with you, but I don't think any stickers are being put anywhere. It's as if you're going to buy a computer at some store, and another customer tells you that he saw it cheaper somewhere else, is that not fair play? Again, this is all as long as it's done in moderation, I have also noticed that it has kind of gotten out of hand as of late.
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Disconnected: Personally, I'd love for a mod to lock, delete and bitch-slap everyone who advertises for Steam on here. Not because it's kinda obnoxious to advertise a competing publisher (though I suppose it is), but because Steam is exactly the kind of thing gamers shouldn't support if they don't want the future of gaming to be nothing but user-hostile, pseudo-license-based, first-sale-violating shit.

If there are mods in this forum, I would probably just stop visiting it. I really like the idea of there not being a mod at all and the forum being self controlled.
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michaelleung: No, they are not a competitor. GOG specializes in games we might actually have a genuine interest in. Steam just sells whatever crap that makes them money.
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Aliasalpha: What about Simon the sorcerer 3d?

I've heard that game sucks balls. I don't think I've heard a single good thing about it, but there are tastes for everything!
Post edited March 25, 2009 by honorbuddy
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Aliasalpha: What about Simon the sorcerer 3d?

And I've heard rumors. Supposedly, there are people who actually enjoyed it
I'd suggest GOG will sell any game that will make them money, it would be foolish not to.
Their principles are just that the games sold are DRM free, and "old", although I don't know the official line on whats old, possibly at least a year old or something.
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honorbuddy: I said sweet, not 47 cents off of HAWX, I agree; in the same vein that if I saw a sweet deal at some other store I'd let people know, we all like games, and a lot of them are not available here so how would that be disrespectful? (as long as it's not overwhelming as it's been pointed out, this isn't just a huge ad for other places). And I don't log into Steam and check their updates all the time, I usually close those up without even reading them, this is the only community I actively participate in, and that's kind of how I like it, because I like you guys so much.

I like you too. <3
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Disconnected: Personally, I'd love for a mod to lock, delete and bitch-slap everyone who advertises for Steam on here. Not because it's kinda obnoxious to advertise a competing publisher (though I suppose it is), but because Steam is exactly the kind of thing gamers shouldn't support if they don't want the future of gaming to be nothing but user-hostile, pseudo-license-based, first-sale-violating shit.

That would probably just create ill-will among some of those who are customers of both GOG and Steam. While I do believe that advertising for competitors on the forum is a bit rude, bringing down the hammer on people who do so would only end up making the situation much worse. Additionally, while I don't want to see PC gaming go in the direction of what Steam is and think that GOG is the direction that PC game distribution should head in, I also think that this is a matter that needs to be settled by people looking at the options available and choosing what they consider to be the best offering. Trying to shut down discussion of what competitors are offering will only bring unnecessary and ultimately harmful pettiness into the matter, and I'd like to believe that GOG can succeed much better based purely on the merits of what they're offering.
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honorbuddy: You have a valid point, I already agreed with you, but I don't think any stickers are being put anywhere. It's as if you're going to buy a computer at some store, and another customer tells you that he saw it cheaper somewhere else, is that not fair play? Again, this is all as long as it's done in moderation, I have also noticed that it has kind of gotten out of hand as of late.
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Disconnected: Personally, I'd love for a mod to lock, delete and bitch-slap everyone who advertises for Steam on here. Not because it's kinda obnoxious to advertise a competing publisher (though I suppose it is), but because Steam is exactly the kind of thing gamers shouldn't support if they don't want the future of gaming to be nothing but user-hostile, pseudo-license-based, first-sale-violating shit.
GOG is first-sale-violating too. ;D
I think talking about Steam on here is a good thing, because it vindicates how good GOG is. If Steam were fundamentally better there would be no discussion. Look at it like this, I'll bet on the Steam forums there isn't topic about 'issues' and problems with GOG because basically there is very little to complain about. (I'm asking for someone to prove be wrong XD)
We're only talking about Steam on here because we find faults with it (dare I mention DRM). So I'm glad to see we are, because if we weren't, we would clearly all be chumps.
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Weclock: GOG is first-sale-violating too. ;D

Going off the boilerplate in their EULA this is true; in practice, though, it still remains to be seen. There are no technical measures to prevent someone from selling the installer to another person then deleting all game files and never downloading any of them again, thus effectively transferring ownership. Now, if GOG starts firing off nastygrams and pursuing legal action against anyone trying to do this then we can definitively say that they are interfering with the right of first-sale.
Post edited March 26, 2009 by DarrkPhoenix
interfering or not, there's no way to remove all of your copies of the game unless you hand over your account as well
There's no way to remove one's access to a copy of the game, but removing all copies from one's computers is naturally quite trivial. Now, whether this little arrangement would hold up if challenged by GOG in court is unknown, but we are speaking purely of matters of practice here.
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Weclock: GOG is first-sale-violating too. ;D
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DarrkPhoenix: Going off the boilerplate in their EULA this is true; in practice, though, it still remains to be seen. There are no technical measures to prevent someone from selling the installer to another person then deleting all game files and never downloading any of them again, thus effectively transferring ownership. Now, if GOG starts firing off nastygrams and pursuing legal action against anyone trying to do this then we can definitively say that they are interfering with the right of first-sale.
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DarrkPhoenix: There's no way to remove one's access to a copy of the game, but removing all copies from one's computers is naturally quite trivial. Now, whether this little arrangement would hold up if challenged by GOG in court is unknown, but we are speaking purely of matters of practice here.

Steam can do this too, otherwise phishing wouldn't work.
Your arguing if it can be done, then acting like legalities would be different with steam and Gog.