Online games = fun yes but u get a) lot of people who hate to lose b) noobs who like fucking people up c) hackers. Depending on the game there is a decided lack of maturity....

I might Although have you tried Dungeons and dragons Online: Eberron unlimited the people there DO NOT TOLERATE juveniles! yet there are some that are juveniles there! there are others who want this level 3 cleric to join their group though! for a dungeon crawl!

Reason 2 why I don't do multiplayer anymore. Reason 1? Cheaters.

Back in the days on the glorious Dreamcast, playing Phantasy Star Online (co-op only). Had a good run with a few guys (3 or 4 others). Another joining the lobby, repeatedly asking for a port so he could join us while at least 3 possible ports where up. It smelt fishy, so I had my finger hovering over the button for healing pots...
That guy finally ports in and all hells broke loose, with all dying left and right - except me as I was prepared. I ran around grabbing what ever loot I could before porting out and turned up in the lobby with 3 high-lvl weapons of the other guys (you loose your current weapon upon dying - which is why I always had a spare not so good one for online play).

After a lot of cursing from the team mates (and the "I'm innocent / don't know what happened" claims from the last guy), the first of the bunch logs back in and I ask what weapon it was he dropped. He could tell me, so I managed to give it back to him.
The second guy comes back, again asking but he couldn't say. Crucial mistake from my side, I showed him one in the trade window, which he then claims to be his and gave it to him. He logs out. Only it wasn't his.....
Turns out the third guy appears and... it was his weapon that I just gave away....

A few weeks later, a similar incident and I had enough. After hacks / cheats in Diablo ruined it on PC, I was done with multiplayer. For good.

I've read the opening post, but I haven't the faintest idea what it's about. I do know what flaming is, but what are PRO/MLG gamers? And why do they write in such a strange kind of newspeak instead of proper English? Do online gamers invent their own language?

So, like, eh...
No. No I can't.
Good night.

PRO/MLG Means

Professional / Major League Gaming.

I used to play L4D2 online a lot back in the day. Heck, i even had a clan and got into some pretty awesome clan fights. But then my free time to play games became severely limited and i turned into a casual L4D2 player. Only played a match every now and then. Oh boy, i really miss my old clan friends, i had my best L4D2 gaming moments with them. Too bad that it required dedication which i really couldn't put into the game anymore and i had to leave the group.

Playing L4D2 with random people on the internet is not even close to being as fun as playing it with friends. The community in L4D2 is one of worst i've ever seen (even worse than MOBA communities, and this is quite an achievement). There's a LOT of trolling (you know, people just fucking the entire team up, like rushing till getting killed, using medikits when their health is almost full, and stuff like that), people opening up votekicks for NO reason to take you out just for fun, the RAGE QUITTERS and the usual toxicity you'd have to expect in online games (people calling you noob, faggot and the list goes on).

The fact is that L4D2 is a fucking paradise for griefers and trolls. It's REALLY easy for one guy to fuck up the entire match). Not to mention that rage quitting is a serious issue. It's nearly impossible to finish a campaign in versus mode without the enemy team or your team leaving the game. As much as i love L4D2, i have to admit that i rarely ever play it anymore due to how awful the community is. I used to play versus a lot back in the day, but now, when i do get into L4D2, i usually play coop because it's usually less toxic than the competitive nature of the versus mode. Another thing is that L4D2 is really flawed in that regard. There is no way to punish rage quitters or trolls. In LoL, for example, if someone decides to rage quit, he will have to wait till the match ends before being able to join another one, since the game forces the player to get back to that match when you log back in.

I really don't have a problem with playing with unexperienced players in L4D2. And i don't have a problem when more experienced players give advices to "newbies". I'm very open to suggestions from experienced players in the games i suck at (especially MOBAs). The problem is that instead of trying to help unexperienced players, most people just get very aggressive and start yelling insults at them.

From my personal experience, there seems to be some games that have a more mature community than others. I've never had problems on Garry's Mod, for example (even though i know that there are some griefers in sandbox mode). It might sound like a bit of a surprise, but i have never had any issues with the community in COD games on the PC. I know that the Xbox version is famous for having quite a few "annoying kids" shouting on the mic, but i really haven't encountered the same issue on the PC version.

Oh man, don't get me started on L4D. The worst experiences (but admittedly also some of the best) I had with other players online was in both L4D games. Oddly enough the worst ones were when I played with two different groups that two different friends had pulled me into, that's what kinda made it even worse. Each time there was one friend (a different one in both cases) whom I knew from somewhere else but then there was two other guys who only judged me by my performance. Frankly I wasn't playing badly, I was just playing differently but they would call me names whenever I wouldn't play the way they expected, *especially* in situations which they didn't grasp and where I did my friggin' best and they wouldn't have performed better. And that I had been invited there by someone I know really felt like one of those real-world situations where a friend wants to introduce you to his friends, you just don't fit into the crowd and then the bunch makes derogatory comments. The final experience I had in such a group was so terrible that I actually didn't touch online games for several years.

That said, one time (playing with those jerks I mentioned above) I was the last man standing and on top of the lighthouse in L4D 1 while the only other guy alive was being eaten alive all the way down and screaming like a sissy through voice chat, ordering me to come down and save his sorry ass. Instead of trying to save him (which would have been an absurd attempt anyway) I threw a molotov cocktail at the crowd with the pathetic asshole in the middle. Man, that felt so good. I finished the round and didn't have to give him a hand, instead I got the beautiful sight of him getting devoured by both the zombies and the flames.

Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong.

In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality.

I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

While I'm no big multiplayer gamer I still find it effectively awesome to follow this guideline:

Never play with others without someone you trust who has the authority (or yourself) to make a permanent change in case someone decides to play outside of the agreed upon rules regarding ethical behaviour and the rules of the game itself.

A little strict and formal but basically I avoid all kinds of quick matches with randoms. I only play with people I trust (at least one person) that hosts the game so that person (or me) can control the environment. I suppose many people like being able to just jump into some random game but I think the pros outwieghs the cons in my case especially when it comes to games that require some thought process, co-op or long-term strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnp3AgXP0dU

Strange stories I read...

Nothing like that has ever happened to me. In fact, my first online gaming experience was with Diablo 1.

I remember playing and challenging people just to find that one spell would kill me. At first, I thought it was because I was weak. But after leveling up, I realized it couldn't be that so it must be they were cheating. So I learned to hack my character (but still saved an unhacked copy of it) and started challenging again.

As usual, the first thing that landed on my character was the damn spell, but I didn't die. To my surprise the person I had challenged said to me: "Cheater". Thus ended my online gaming life challenging people.

That's why I don't play MMO anymore.

I do remember a game called Infantry, I did like that one, until Sony bought it which also ended my online gaming life forever.

Because some people aren't having fun unless they are playing to win. Just because you are okay with losing all the time, doesn't mean others are okay with it. The problem with LEFT4DEAD 2 is casual players aren't separated from competitive players. And I see no solution to this problem, unfortunately, because even if a game tries to separate casual players and competitive players like in CS GO, you have casual players who take part in competitive games. This is just something everyone has to deal with, like death and taxes.

Multiplayer games have the same degeneration problems as poorly moderated forums: if assholes get free reign, the others will get tired and leave, making the whole thing even more infested, which makes the rest of the smart ones to leave.

The only multiplayer I play is couch co-op.