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Well, count me as one of the people who will still buy on release day even though I have serious reservations about the game.

Reservations- Not intended for argument; My take why ME3 makes me personally nervous with all the news/rumors and conclusions formed from news/rumors, accurate or not.

All that Roman5 used as points for why ME3 will fail I wouldn't agree that they alone will cause the game to be bad, but they do bring in points that disturb me, i.e. changing the game formula that worked so well in ME2/ME1 by introducing multiplayer(yes I know it is optional), adding dlc that will probably cost an arm and a leg separately (just looking at the action figures from that ?Kotoku? website), I did calculations and currently the dlc for story and weapons/armor only for where I am at for ME2 will cost a whopping $51, enough to purchase two new ME2's from the local retailers here b/c EA or Bioware does not release "complete" editionsm recently for some reason. For some posters saying DLC is just a good way to support devs, well, these complete editions at $60 would be preferable because I would have the dlc on disc, not save to my hard drive which as one poster earlier mentioned it is almost like they give you a disc to let you play what you installed to your harddrive rather than the disc being the actual game. I agree with some posters who want to wait a year except I want to know the main story ending now

Other points not why ME3 will fail but all the news is making me as a ME1/2 fan leery is Bioware's recent record with sequels. Dragon Age 2, I enjoyed but I would never purchase it for above $30. That is my preference I know but it was completely different from DA:O which is not necessarily bad, but I expected something more grand and along the lines of DA:O and instead got essentially a city to save rather than a kingdom with multiple peoples. Yes, I did buy DA:O Complete edition and I have played it several times through with different characters.

Some people have brough in EA's record which others in the topic have said was not really that bad. I'm sorry to say that although Blizzard and Steam may also identify whether you have hacking programs, Origin scares me as from the EULA I read and they may have changed it, they had the option to literally take any information stored on your computer. I understand why they do this, as I went to business school and they pounded into us information is money and can make money.

The problem I have with EA is that we as students were taught that we should only make money in an "ethically" acceptable manner, i.e. you do not infringe upon your customers' rights without telling them or getting permission. EA has had several black-eyes as a result of not following this policy ranging from Securom and not telling consumers, to requiring access to private/sensitive information on your pc and not telling you. Origin they did acknowledge would have the data miner active on your computer but still I will not install EA products unless it is from GOG just for my mind's serenity as there has been no information released as to whether or not EA will secure the information or merely dump it to servers for later processing.

I also heard though I don't know if they went through with it, about no lawsuits only arbitration being allowable. While I would think they can't do this or it will be tossed out should someone actually sue, the idea that they would put that in the EULA. (If you can't tell EA does not have the best reputation in my geographical/school area. Ironically EA's decisions constituted a week of discussion and opposing viewpoints though by the standards of our school the decisions were made purely for profit and not for "good business" i.e. profit in an ethically responsible manner.) All of this combined makes me nervous about what EA will try to pull with the game and what they may damage in attempting to make a profit, such as Ubisoft's always online to play, etc.

Before anyone gets upset, I loved EA games from the nineties such as Dungeon Keeper, Command and Conquer, etc. I have loved Bioware as well until recently, I have all of their rpg games such as Baldur's Gate series, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights, etc. on XBOX or PC as well as more recent games such as Mass Effect series.

Anyways, the game will continue to make me nervous because ME3 has a lot to live up to to be even equal to its predecessors and I can't know how it stacks up until later this year, though I think there still is quite a bit of hope left for those of us who want a good conclusion to some of the decade's best scifi rpgs.

And yes I will be like Gollum until I get the ME3 into my console to play it. My precious...
Post edited January 30, 2012 by Daimones
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SimonG: Am I the only one that liked ME 1 and 2 ? And I really appreciated some of the changes ME 2 did.

And calling ME 2 a Gears of War in space doesn't do the game justice. Hardly any gaming series today has a better grasp on the concept of choices and consequences.

I think there is a general "hipstersdom" on vogue nowadays to crap on Bioware. I would be pretty pissed if I was a ME 2 developer. They actually adressed many issues the fans of ME 1 had and yet, everybody is bitching like there would be no tomorrow.
No, I liked ME2 a lot. I didn't play much of the first one, so I don't even know what they changed apart from making the shooting better. I don't give a shit if it resembles Gears of War more than a Baldur's Gate, I thought it was an awesome game by any standards, and the most enjoyable Bioware game for me.

I haven't read a single thing about ME3 apart from a couple of posts in this thread. I'm not about to make my mind up on whether to buy it or not before it is released and some opinions on the actual game will be available.
Post edited January 30, 2012 by KOC
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SimonG: And calling ME 2 a Gears of War in space doesn't do the game justice. Hardly any gaming series today has a better grasp on the concept of choices and consequences.
Regarding C&C - may I humbly suggest you the series titled "The Witcher"? I'll leave it to you to find the place that sells it. :-)

And honestly dude, choices and consequences? In train simulator ME2 of all places? Would you mind giving me an example? And no, I wouldn't accept "Choice to shag Jack/Tali/Miranda" or "Choice to send Jacob/Grunt/lEGION into vents" as a good example.
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krakadyla: Regarding C&C - may I humbly suggest you the series titled "The Witcher"? I'll leave it to you to find the place that sells it. :-)

And honestly dude, choices and consequences? In train simulator ME2 of all places? Would you mind giving me an example? And no, I wouldn't accept "Choice to shag Jack/Tali/Miranda" or "Choice to send Jacob/Grunt/lEGION into vents" as a good example.
You know, sometimes I think I'm going crazy with all the people buying the shit bioware's marketing is pushing. What c&c damn it??? They keep repeating the same buzzwords all over the place in hope that they stick... and lo and behold, they do! That they have no connection to the actual product doesn't matter one bit.

Just to clear my position though, I quite like most of bioware's games, but I take them for what they are. Not what they are selling them for. And it's from this position that I say bioware is in a steady decline for many years now.
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SimonG: And calling ME 2 a Gears of War in space doesn't do the game justice. Hardly any gaming series today has a better grasp on the concept of choices and consequences.
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krakadyla: Regarding C&C - may I humbly suggest you the series titled "The Witcher"? I'll leave it to you to find the place that sells it. :-)

And honestly dude, choices and consequences? In train simulator ME2 of all places? Would you mind giving me an example? And no, I wouldn't accept "Choice to shag Jack/Tali/Miranda" or "Choice to send Jacob/Grunt/lEGION into vents" as a good example.
Extermination of those bugs in ME 1 will have ramifications in ME 3. How you handle the quarian situation. Did you give legion to science or use him as a teammate, etc .. The whole ending of ME 1. Wish one of your teammates dies in part one. And the list goes on and on. In ME 1 you could help or destroy a crime syndicate in several ways, the way you did it was reflected in ME 2.

There is a savegame editor for ME 1 which has dozens if not hundreds of variables that may change during a playthrough.
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SimonG: Extermination of those bugs in ME 1 will have ramifications in ME 3. How you handle the quarian situation. Did you give legion to science or use him as a teammate, etc .. The whole ending of ME 1. Wish one of your teammates dies in part one. And the list goes on and on. In ME 1 you could help or destroy a crime syndicate in several ways, the way you did it was reflected in ME 2.

There is a savegame editor for ME 1 which has dozens if not hundreds of variables that may change during a playthrough.
Most of the changes were represented either as e-mails or short unbelievable cameos ("Hey Shepard, I'm Giana Parasini from Noveria, remember me? I owe you a beer! Oh and that Asari chick the Thorian puked out, she's also there just a few steps away! Small universe, huh?") The surviving teammate will say exactly same words to Shepard, though Ash's and Kaidan's personalities were quite different. Now, of course they are touting "ramifications and repercussions" in their marketing campaign -just as they did before ME2, by the way. People seem to have short memory when marketing bullshit is involved.

I would love to believe in real consequences of Rachni extermination or taking sides in Quarian-Geth conflict. But, considering the facts of past and having read parts of leaked script - I think I'm not wrong in remaining skeptical.
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SimonG: There is a savegame editor for ME 2 which has dozens if not hundreds of variables that may change during a playthrough.
FTFY btw the edited Gibbed save editor is worth downloading if you don't fancy replaying ME1 tonnes of times. In the end I've just taken my 2 fave play throughs (1 male 1 female) and edited the ME1 choices in them to what I want to try...
Oh and variables ME2 imports over 200 variables ME3 it's over 2000 apparently...
Well as long as it requires me to download Origin i will not be buying the game.

I could buy it on 360 but it's been broken for about a year now and i haven't been bothered to fix it. If i really want to continue the story it's not hard to watch a playthrough on youtube because as we all know everyone and their mother makes 'Lets Plays' of all the new releases.
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Druidshinobi: Well as long as it requires me to download Origin i will not be buying the game.
Don't worry, it will probably be on the disc ;-P
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Druidshinobi: Well as long as it requires me to download Origin i will not be buying the game.
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SimonG: Don't worry, it will probably be on the disc ;-P
Are you sure? I though all EA games required Origin and came with SECUROM anyway :(
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krakadyla: Most of the changes were represented either as e-mails or short unbelievable cameos ("Hey Shepard, I'm Giana Parasini from Noveria, remember me? I owe you a beer! Oh and that Asari chick the Thorian puked out, she's also there just a few steps away! Small universe, huh?") The surviving teammate will say exactly same words to Shepard, though Ash's and Kaidan's personalities were quite different. Now, of course they are touting "ramifications and repercussions" in their marketing campaign -just as they did before ME2, by the way. People seem to have short memory when marketing bullshit is involved.

I would love to believe in real consequences of Rachni extermination or taking sides in Quarian-Geth conflict. But, considering the facts of past and having read parts of leaked script - I think I'm not wrong in remaining skeptical.
Actually they say slightly different things and their emails are very different (it all depends on romance options as to what they say)..
Also
Giving Tali the data->easy way to convince her and more respect from the Quarian fleet
Wrex Alive-> clan Urdnot is saving the species if he's dead his brother is following the old paths and is losing
Thorian -> damage level leads to information on the colony and how it's doing
Conrad -> bugged but if you edit your save you can get the nice guy version though due to the bug it's more an easter egg
Rachni -> if you listen to the news etc people start to worry

Also according to bio the leaked script was an old version with many changes since and because of the leak they've actually gone back and changed parts (it's thought thats part of the reason for the release date push back)
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SimonG: Don't worry, it will probably be on the disc ;-P
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Druidshinobi: Are you sure? I though all EA games required Origin and came with SECUROM anyway :(
*facepalm*
Post edited January 30, 2012 by wodmarach
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wodmarach: *facepalm*
What's so facepalm? I don't know if EA disc games come with DRM or require Origin, care to enlighten me?
Post edited January 30, 2012 by Druidshinobi
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wodmarach: *facepalm*
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Druidshinobi: What's so facepalm? I don't know if EA disc games come with DRM or require Origin, care to enlighten me?
You said you didn't want to download Origin. SimonG said "Don't worry, it will probably be on the disc" As in a copy of Origin :P

As for Origin as I've said many many times on here, although EA's EULA explicitly states it, Steam, Blizz downloader and a number of other popular games services do exactly the same and in many cases an even more thorough system scan than Origin actually does. The actual amount of data sent to EA is about 4kb..
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wodmarach: You said you didn't want to download Origin. SimonG said "Don't worry, it will probably be on the disc" As in a copy of Origin :P

As for Origin as I've said many many times on here, although EA's EULA explicitly states it, Steam, Blizz downloader and a number of other popular games services do exactly the same and in many cases an even more thorough system scan than Origin actually does. The actual amount of data sent to EA is about 4kb..
Ahh ok thanks then. So no matter what Origin comes with it.

As for the EULA, i still don't trust it too much. I know the Steam one is appearently optional so that one doesn't bother me too much. As for blizzard, well i uninstalled WoW ages ago. Is the blizzard one similar to Origin though? Plus, every game i look at on the store comes with 'Securom' or at least most of them which puts me off the platform even further.
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wodmarach: *facepalm*
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Druidshinobi: What's so facepalm? I don't know if EA disc games come with DRM or require Origin, care to enlighten me?
I was actually making a very silly joke on you saying, you don't want to download Origin.

You don't. It's on the disc

*badda dush*