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lukaszthegreat: whaa?
ofcourse they are interested in money. they ain't a charity you know...
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Navagon: I never said they were a charity or should be. But when they repeatedly claim to hold a certain stance then blatantly act to the contrary, it does become apparent that greed is the dominating factor. If they abandoned the pretence this wouldn't be such an issue.

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they are a company. Of course they are greedy. CD projekt is also greedy. They are here to make money.
yet it doesn't stop them from loving what they do. loving old games and being happy that other people can play them or loving their own games and caring about their customers.
You said that valve likes money in a way that sounds like a bad thing.
ridiculous.
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michaelleung: Telling a company not to be greedy is like telling a baby to stop crying. FOREVER.

Again: not the point. The point is that they shouldn't keep making claims that their greed will turn into hypocrisy.
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lukaszthegreat: they are a company. Of course they are greedy. CD projekt is also greedy. They are here to make money.

CD Projekt have not gone against any of the principals they have claimed to uphold. Why can you not grasp this fundamental difference?
Post edited January 20, 2010 by Navagon
because i don't see that. I don't see changing your strategy to make more money as a bad thing or betrayal of a principle.
they still care about their customers, they still support their games after release... L4d2 is not a betrayal. concentrating on other things than on ep3 is not wrong either.
Please Navagon state what principle Valve went against?
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lukaszthegreat: because i don't see that. I don't see changing your strategy to make more money as a bad thing or betrayal of a principle.
they still care about their customers, they still support their games after release... L4d2 is not a betrayal. concentrating on other things than on ep3 is not wrong either.
Please Navagon state what principle Valve went against?

If you don't see asking people to uphold certain principals and blatantly not doing so yourself as hypocrisy then what is your definition of the word and why does it differ so from what's in the dictionary?
Anyway:
Cheap games sell better, according to Gabe. He even lectured people on it. The argument was very convincing and well founded. Then we get L4D and L4D2 in rapid succession that SHOULD have been cheap given that they were effectively polished Source total conversions. But no, they were selling at full price.
So according to Gabe himself, selling L4Ds for less would have meant a lot more money overall. Especially given that they would hardly be required to give themselves a substantial cut of the Steam profits, like other publishers would have to. But despite this they still sell the games at full price, clearly paying no attention to their own words of wisdom.
They ask people to do one thing then do another themselves.
Then of course there's the rejection of console FPS and the outright condemnation of the PS3 and their subsequent support for the 360 and third party support for the PS3.
They ask Sony to scrap the PS3. They ask Sony themselves to not support their own console that they've invested vast, vast sums of money in, then they go and support it themselves with the Orange Box (through EA, but still).
They ask people to do one thing then do another themselves.