My reason was to stop the hammer from falling until we had heard from everyone. When I removed my vote we were at -1, easy time for a scum to come in and hammer before we heard from everyone. I even stated this is Post 491 http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post491

I agree that trentonlf is suspicious, but I don't agree with your reasoning.
He entered as vote #4, which I wouldn't consider early, not when everyone else has 0 or 1 votes on them.

I would also point out that after I voted for adaliabooks it was shortly after that Krypsyn and Dedoporno voted for him. It was steamrolling so I removed my vote as I said to hear from others.

I hear where you're coming from and I can live with that, but I'll keep flub's posts in mind just in case.

Would you like to share your thoughts on Vitek? I wrote some notes on him a few hours ago, since I share your suspicion to some extent, but it seems I haven't saved the file and I can't see the updated version in my home computer. I'll be able to re-visit them once again tomorrow.

I wanted to read everything before posting but this mind-shattering observation can't just be ignored for so long.
So you were able to use brilliant deduction and figure out that in this game, where you believe to be no more than 2 mafia remaining anymore, smaller sub-group of players contains no more than 2 mafia.
Mind. Blown.

We need more of this Sherlock Holmes investigation to help us figure out things.

It is because adalia attacked me and when people confrotned him with it he backed down quickly trying to not draw much attention (which he failed). Yeah, I know makes a lot of sense.
I am curious what is it you came up with.

The fact I was not certain of his alignment is not something to celebrate as far as I'm concerned.

I already said, the play seemed too bad. Flub had to get the role claim out of him. It just looked like an overly bad play on his part not to do everything he can to save himself.

As far as how unsure I was, I said I don't think. In no place do I mention I was more than certain.

I can't say that I've found any of Vitek's own actions particularly suspicious. He's his usual self, sarcasm and all.
I'm mostly suspicious of how adaliabooks included him in his first list of suspicions, along with yogsloth. He never dropped yogloth, but he immediately backed off his comment about Vitek being "defensive" when confronted about it and completely dropped him as a suspect after that. In fact, he even went on to defend Vitek about a comment of his.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post186
So to me it seems like he was trying to find an excuse to go on record as having included Vitek in a scumlist just to put a little distance between them.
It's somewhat thin, but I do believe that examining both adalia's interactions with others and the bandwagon is the best way to go right now.

Thank you for the kind words. They contributed a thousand times more useful information than mine did. You are my new idol now!


It seems I somehow made a mistake and made it seem like this question was meant for you to answer. Let me correct myself and clear things out. I'm interested in what Darko has to say. Thank you nonetheless, though!

While I do appreciate your natural dickish charm, some actual contribution would also be appreciated at this point.

They sure did.

The answer already was in the thread so I felt safe to present it to you. You are talking about me afterall so I felt entitled to participate.

2:13 is too late to participate with longer posts and even if you don't think so my short post carried some thoughts.
(It's funny how at this time all last posters are Europeans - yes even me, Rob)

I still believe that this might be important.
I assume you are paraphrasing from Telika's PM.
Could you ask Telika whether you may post the entire PM verbatim? Perhaps something valuable is lost in the paraphrase, given that you yourself admit you do not know what it means.

I asked before I posted anything about it and he said I could paraphrase only, no verbatim.

All I know is I was dogfighting the Olipsi when a Nisk fighter comes up behind me and shoots me all over my hull. No damage is done as the shooter used light weaponry that had no chance to pierce my light armor. After they shot me they disappeared back into the battle.

I am still unsure what it means.

Interesting. You were either protected by a doctor, or whomever was attacking you was blocked during the night phase. Of course, those are only assumptions.

Ok. Thank you.

From the flavour, my best guess would be a role-blocked vigilante-kill or a role-blocked mafia-kill. Something like someone tried to shoot you down, his cannon "malfunctioned", and you survived his light weaponry.

but:
a) it would be a big coincidence for someone to know whom to block
and, more importantly,
b) why did Telika bother to inform you?

Very intriguing.

As we know from last game, coincidences are quite possible and they can be a bitch.

If I am to believe this episode my guess would be this was a failed vigilante shot. Trentonlf was already under a fair amount of scrutiny from a few people including myself, so I doubt Mafia would try to take NK him - he's far more useful as a potential scapegoat.

I also doubt an SK NK for the same reason. The SK are their own one-man-army and they need to survive until the very end - why waste a potential scapegoat who may give them another day around?

The only plausible scenario seems to be an over-eager vigilante who is almost sure their target will flip scum. I've seen this happen once before...