Surely not another first-night vig? It does make some sort of sense, but its a rare set of events - a vig attempt, and some form of protection for trent.

Thankyou for your replies on my trent vote. Its votes that get the proper reactions folks, lets remember to use them!!

unvote trentonlf

Lets have a look at that bandwagon then....

I think we can safely assume more than 2 Mafia. Not saying 100%, but in a usual game this would be the case.

I also think we can safely assume at least one or more of the remaining Mafia are NOT voting Adaliabooks.

Also - when Mafia is flipped, suspicion falls on anyone who got on , then got off the wagon

So - my list of potential scum at the moment, JUST taking these things into account...

one of - HijacK, Vitek, Trentonlf, Sage, DarkoD13. At least one of these people has a very high chance of being scum.

on/off the wagon - Trentolf, Dedoporno. Although dedo revoted, leaving trentonlf as main suspect using this 'tell'

Of course, there is a certain amount of WIFOM, but I'm pretty confident not all remaining Mafia were voting for Adalia.

Before or after adaliabooks' departure?

One must agree with DarkoD13 in this regard. Yes, it would be helpful to know how many mafiosi are in the game, but at this stage it isn't really a helpful thing to discuss. It is one of those things that is really immaterial until the end of the game.

In short, it's much better to track down the mafia members by whatever means than to speculate how many of them their may be. To preemptively answer I question I think may arise from this: No, I do not think that knowing how many mafiosi there may be will aid us in finding them all.

Moving on: Does no one else think that Rob's actions near the end of day one were suspect? I explained why I thought they were in post #584.

Corrections to my above post:

1. I meant to say,"how many of them there may be." Instead of," how many of them their may be."

2. I meant to say,"preemptively answer a question..." Instead of,"preemptively answer I question..."

This doesn't mean I trust Robbeasy, but he got on the wagon pretty early and even though he unvoted at point he got back son after and didn't seem to hesitate or wander off until the very end.

On the other hand Robbeasy didn't took any part in the whole PGO thing. In addition, and I'm not sure if this should be considered that big of a deal, but one would expect that a Townie should be a bit more satisfied with lynching an actual scum on day one - the only thing Robbeasy showed sounded more like a bit of a surprise on how fast things developed and a bit of an eyebrow-raising towards yogsloth's fast posting of lengthy content. Flub's demise wasn't even mentioned initially.

Adalia didn't seem to favor anybody through his interactions, at least not visibly obvious. So attempting to gain any knowledge from his posts will be rather difficult. While it is rather baffling he never changed focus from yog, I do think this is just a matter of picking a target and stick with it. I am not sure what he had to gain from lynching yog specifically. None of his Day 1 posts seem to efficiently hunt and threaten mafia, and even if they did, why not take him out during the night.
His focus on yog was rather....peculiar. I'll think more about it throughout the day.

Of course I'm over the moon about nailing Adaliabooks - and picking him out so early! I didn't feel the need to brag about it is all, preferring to get on with scum hunting. I don't see how that makes me suss in any way?
And Flub is a bad one - my thoughts on this are that he was hit because he is an excellent player of the game, and they wanted to get rid of an experienced adversary early. Again, I fail to see how not commenting on this paints me as suspicious??

@CSPVG - As I have stated previously, I work in an office with limited access to internet during the week (typing this in my lunch break). There may be long breaks where I am not near a computer, but i think you can say I'm definitely not Lurking..

@dedoporno - when we have this amount of players, I assume 3+ Mafia players. Its a standard game mechanic. I'm aware it could change, but until proven otherwise assumptions have to be made. Speculating just muddies it.

@HijacK - the only Facts we have so far are that Adalia = scum, and Flubbucket = Town. With that knowledge, the only sensible action is to analyze their posts and try to come up with theories and apply pressure. Bandwagon analysis is the only other further thing.

So , lets get started on the group not voting yesterday..

vote Vitek

Vitek - why did you not vote Adaliabooks and thoughts on todays play so far please, if you would be so kind?

As I said, I don't think it's that big of a deal, jumping on adalia early and sticking to it until the end is far more important for me. I'm a bit more inclined to see you as pro-town because of it. Not taking part in the PGO discussion is what worries me. Where were you back then? At work?

Of course you're only assuming scum didn't vote for adalia, but what makes you think scum didn't jump on adalia's wagon, even more so considering the fact how fast the wagon moved in just a small gap of time?
Alas, I guess we have to start from somewhere.

As I said , its only an assumption. But, I would be very surprised if the Mafia ALL jumped on one of their own, especially with the relative speed of the lynch. One, maybe, but not all.

I'm guessing at numbers here as well - but as i said, i'm also assuming more than 2.

All in all, its two safe-ish assumptions to make. We DO have to start somewhere, and work with what we have. I have no qualms at all putting the heat on all those that didnt vote for Adaiiabooks

Would that include yourself? Because apart from voting/unvoting/voting for adalia at the very beginning, I'm getting the feeling you would have unvoted him again if you were online before the hammer occurred. At least that's what I'm getting from your last post of the day.

I've never been particularly shy in bussing comrades, so I'm not sure what to make of your post. But I guess it would make some sense for scum to avoid being on the same bandwagon at the same time.

Anyway, I wish we'd get more posts giving opinions on adalia's posts and the bandwagon, especially since some people haven't made a serious post since Day 1. Day 2, people.

Had adalia ever played as scum in a gog game before?

Wouldn't have unvoted - i was solid on him all day. The post expressing surprise was with the speed the wagon built and the lynch went through - usually a bad sign first day. As it turns out, it was the right decision.

Don't get me wrong - i was solid on Adalia, but by no means sure - you cant be on day 1.

I can see the possibility of there being 4 mafia just from adaliabooks slip up in his math. He says he is a numbers person and was embarrassed by the bad math, but I can totally see it as s slip. Last game I was scum and made a slip with the mountain climbing post regarding budejovice. Does that mean there are 4 scum? Maybe, but not absolutely.

I have read over the thread again and nothing adaliabooks says jumps out to me pointing at someone to look at for a scum buddy. After reading over it all again I see three people that I put in a solid town slot and that's yogosloth, Darko, and Robb.

I stand by my statement that I don't see yogosloth and adaliabooks as both being scum, and both Darko and Robb have been scum hunting with their questions and actions more so than anyone else IMO.

As for the rest I have

Hijack neutral to town. He saw adaliabooks' inconsistent posts and called him on it numerous times. I just wonder why he never placed his vote for him when he saw this.

Dedo as neutral. He seems to be asking questions that look for scum, but why were you so abrupt with Vitek when he commented on something about him you had said? (Post 683).

CSPVG as neutral. The only thing that makes me not have him leaning town is how he lurks. I know his play style is posting only so often, but it puts him in a bad light to me. His posts have been pro town, just hard for me to get past how little he posts as it makes it look like he is trying to fly under the radar.

Sage as neutral. Same as with CSPVG, she seems to be posting a lot less than normal but when she does her post are pro town. I know she has been going through some real life stuff, but posting a little more often would be good.

Vitek as neutral. He is hard to read, and I'm sure that is intentional. Nothing jumps out as scummy, but nothing jumps out as townie either.

Mrkgnao as neutral to scum. He seems to be pro town in most of his comments and analysis, but his tone is the same as it was in game #22 where he was scum. Last game when he was town the tone of his questions seemed more directed at finding the scum while this time they seem more directed at seeming to be helpful without being too helpful.

Krypsyn as neutral to scum. I would have had him as leaning town except for a comment he made during his post 469. When he was commenting about Sage he said "I'm sorry Sage, I am not sure what it says about you (or me), but we seem to analyze things very similarly. I just like the way you look at things, since it mirrors my own thought more often than not." The only reason this stands out to me is because in game #22 he said the exact same thing to me when I gave an analysis on Hijack that got Hijack lynched, and Krypsyn was scum that game. Maybe Krypsyn compares his playstyle to someone else's every game, and if that's the case I apologize. I admit if Krypsyn had not been scum in game #22 this comment would not have jumped out at me.

I only have a short time on now. I will be able to be on tonight after I get home from work.

At this point I am not sure why we keep going on about 3 or 4 scum. We should be looking for the scum not worrying about numbers. I personally do not think we have more then 3 total in the game but in throwing off the conversation onto numbers and not the scum themselves I do not think we are helping ourselves.

As for books. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at first with his RL issues (and no this did not make him town my in book but I was waiting to see him post more and get a better feeling of his posts). But he soon put his foot in his mouth with is posts. He was playing completely different from the last game. It felt like a scramble. Lets go this way then lets go that way. I do find it interesting he latched on to yogs and stayed there. I was really thinking yogs was scum because of it but since coming back from day 1 with the exception of the very quick first post he has made some good points and pointed out some interesting things about others. Also I asked him about my concerns and he answered them.

I'm going to throw out a few random thoughts:

I agree with Robb’s strategy at the moment. I feel close to naming my next scum candidate, and I want to see this process play out. Vitek is next up, if you please.

About trent’s flavor PM… If you haven’t already, you really should read this. Nobody should be surprised that Telika sends these flavor-filled but inconclusive messages at daybreak.

I still think adalia's flip from suspecting vitek and myself to HijacK and myself is noteworthy, especially given that neither of them voted for adalia in end. I am certain he was fumblingly attempting to divert attention to me, despite the fact that HijacK was the one shredding him all day. Why did he do that?

So let's not worry about the number of scum (note again, I never suggested active discussion on this topic, just asked to keep it in your mind as the game advances in days), let's not role claim, let's not reveal PMs, let's not get distracted.

Lurkers and non-voters... I'm lookin' at you...