trentonlf: I did not get a chance to answer you before the night phase started. Post 222 is where I said I have no role.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post222

dedoporno: I'm led to believe that the ship models may not be as important as I gave them credit for. The dusk post made me realize that we are being infiltrated. This means our fleet consists only of our own ships and the pilots are the ones that may or may not be treacherous.

Let's resume what happened ship-wise so far, for bookkeeping:

adaliabooks claimed and flipped Inurfas Mark IV.
CSPVG claimed Inurfas Mark IV.

trentonlf claimed Inurfas Mark II and Town Vanilla.
Flubbucket flipped Inurfas Mark II and Town Vanilla.
Inurfas Mark II was featured in the OP as the first destroyed ship.

mrkgnao: Now, I am faced with a moral dilemma: Should I reread adaliabooks' posts now or should I play Blackguards? What do you think?

mrkgnao: I am not sure I agree with you, at least not concerning trentonlf's "nighttime assault". Sage has already commented before about your tendency to attempt to dissuade the town from exploring specific avenues of investigation. I must say that I too find it disturbing.

As I see it, trentonlf either told the truth about the "nighttime assault" PM he got from Telika or he lied.

If he told the truth, then this means that our mod volunteered information of his own accord. I don't know about you, but for me, this would be teh first time that a mod does such an outlandish move.

From my experience mods are the type of people who, when asked "Can you confirm that 2 + 2 =4", would answer "No, I can't. ;) ", followed two minutes later with "Well, actually, I suppose I COULD confirm or deny it, but I WON'T. ;)". They are not the type of people to send out random flavour PM's.

If Telika decided to offer us some "free" information, it would be foolish of us not to at least think what it meant. I'm still thinking about possible scenarios, beyond those outlined by dedoporno. If I come with something useful, I'll post.

And of course if we think trentonlf lied, we definitely should discuss it. To me, it seems too far-fetched to be a lie, but after adaliabooks' end-of-day tour-de-force role-claim, who knows?

One thing I did during the long night (when not playing Blackguards) is skim through Telika's previous game (mafia #18). It has some bizarre roles (e.g. motivator) and some combinations I don't seem to have seen mentioned on mafiascum (e.g. alternating jailer between town and mafia on odd/even days). We need to keep an open mind with such a moderator.

I have some more things to write about, but will break it into separate posts.

trentonlf: This portion of my post 222 is what I was referring too The truth is I am town, nothing special about me but that.

trentonlf: I am also unsure what it is you don't like about my post 586.

trentonlf: I only mentioned my ship model as it was different from what adaliabooks and CSPVG were claiming, and that was something that stood out to me.

I did not lie about the PM that was sent to me, I am as perplexed by it as you are. I thought sharing information was better than sitting on it and hoped it would help to find scum. Whether it will or not I don't know.

trentonlf: What I am curious about is why was Flub the target. Is her death trying to frame someone or was she on to something?

mrkgnao: See my post #616. All three options are not good. Can you come up with a good reason for your vanilla claim?

mrkgnao: I agree you should have shared it.

HijacK: The question is: Could he have shared this information without doing a role claim or at least hinting at a role? In the scenario of just hinting at a role, he would have attracted more attention through intrigue.

Robbeasy: I actually like this time difference between US and UK players... .

Robbeasy: Am I doing something wrong??

dedoporno: Why would trentonlf hint a role after he claimed vanilla and is sticking to it? If this is what it's really happening, such move will be more confusing than helpful.

+1 for for leaving it for later and re-visiting adaliasbooks' activities.

trentonlf: why was Flub the target. Is her death trying to frame someone or was she on to something?

trentonlf: She? Flub? She?

dedoporno: Why would trentonlf hint a role after he claimed vanilla and is sticking to it? If this is what it's really happening, such move will be more confusing than helpful.

+1 for for leaving it for later and re-visiting adaliasbooks' activities.

dedoporno: EU > UK. There are other nationalities here, as well :P

HijacK: You misunderstood my post. mrkgnao questioned trent's role claim but agreed he should have shared the info in him PM. That info would've looked suspicious if shared without a role claim, or at least hinting at a role.