Well last game's mafia jail keeper had some caveat did it not?? This time it seems nmillar's role is fairly straight forward. Each night there is someone jailed. I will spend my next few hours at work wisely and reread to make sure.

My point being a mafia jail keeper would need some sort of balance were as this game seems more built around typical roles and a "relationship" vibe.

My opinion only, to be taken with salt to aid with digestion.

Did he? All I remember between them was this - http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_19_a_slalom_mafia/post121...

He means this one.

I have a pretty good idea what's Vitek's case against Red_Baron, but I can't say the same about yours.


Yes.

I am voting pretty much on gut instincts, it is how I play... I still have not got the hang of constructing arguments.

Red has been a bit off from the first day, starting from his reasons to hunt down possible neutrals and vote swinging. He has later latched on to me in a way that I feel is over the top, and I think it was attacking the easiest target for no other reason that it was the easiest target. He has later said that the reason to do so was Lynch All Liars on principle, a principle he later went back down from. He then started his "scum hunt", which basically was attacking me again, even though he had doubts whether I was scum or not...

so I vote for him for 2 reasons:

1 - He have had a feeling from day 1 that he was scum, and I am a tenacious player when I first get a target in sight (Just ask flub from the last game:))

2 - Everything he says so far, while not being completely wrong taken by itself, together to me just feels slightly off, and there is a bit too much backtracking on what he says earlier. The feeling I am left with is that he tries to put something out there, gauge the reactions and adjust to those reactions, not to what he initially said.

Is that ok?

I don't necessarily agree, but I don't believe I had seen a proper argument from you against him before, so I'd say this one's definitely OK.
Kind of what Vitek is saying + gut feelings - SPF comparisons.

I was under the impression that Zchinque was neutral, but after a re-read, I had realised that he had never claimed so, and that I had probably attributed neutrality to him because of Amok's claim of neutrality, and the fact that both shared their out-of-the-list status.

Now, unless I'm mistaken, Amok that says he isn't even neutral...

And off off course I meant to say:

"1 - I have a had a feeling [...] " in previous post....

Had he even claimed he was a neutral? I think he had just messed up his win conditions trying to make them sound special ("I win if town wins, even if I die" etc) because of his making stuff up.

Yeah, I claimed neutral back then, but that was a complete fabrication.

Must comment on this.

Vote swinging? Not counting RVS vote I was voting for the same two people for the same reason.. and after one got mod-killed I am actually still favorable to voting on the last of the two.. thats you btw. So that vote swinging idea is so terrible you might as well drop it, just like any other who mentioned it have after realizing how faulty it was.

Hunting down neutrals on day one, or said in other words and more precise. hunting those who we knew to be different from the rest, given the facts we are certain of - which given day one made sense. That you then instilled more reason to vote for you after is another matter.

I had "latched" on to you before you even claimed your first lie. That you then lied and continued to act in a for me suspect manner made me stick to you as a continuous suspect, even after day one. And easiest target?? Really, you are still freaking alive!

The lynch liars was part of the reason, however not sole reason - and the LAL principle was part of the scum hunt as town don't freaking lie. Look what happened to Pazzer who was town when he did it, so it is curious to see you survived an even more unfounded lie. But of course you like to present it in a different order, since it would make too much sense on a "whole" otherwise ;)

Finally there is a rather large difference between backtracking and changes to ones opinion based upon things that is revealed as the game goes on. I have not backtracked a single thing as you might notice from what I just wrote. As for doubting if you are scum or not I have had 3 changes to that, first not knowing thus considering you most likely not town, then to consider you scum, then after SPF to consider you most likely scum..

Why not comment on some of your accusations instead, like this one - http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_19_a_slalom_mafia/post1307 ? :)


And no one ever gave me the memo which says "town don't freaking lie." I am what I am, and I sometimes do what I do because I think it is fun and healthy to shake things up a bit and see what happens. Is it a risk, yes of course - I make myself a target, I understand that completely. But then again, it is interesting to see who make use of such an easily available target and who don't.

I would actually compare it a bit more to "Let's lynch the cop to verify the doctor and roleblocker as town", like in game 15. But feel free to think it's nmillar I want confirmed, not darko and/or CSPVG.

As we are 3 days from deadline, can we please have a Votecount?

About that...

Started rereading through the thread looking back at nmillar night actions and found other stuff.

What started to catch my good eye was SirPrimalform's posts and specifically his interactions with other players. Post #375 makes reference to amok's "night action" and his use of the clues which shall not be named. amok then has something of a conversation in post #385 with SPF about what or how the information could or might be used.

What night action?!?!

That just made me think.


Now what I'm really concerned with is this.

Post #734 nmillar calls out Telika for being "locked" up the night before.

Post #737 Telika self votes with explanation and caveat to vote nmillar next Day

Post #739 nmillar votes Telika and refers back to post #639

My problem is when nmillar makes post #750 and makes the big reveal, he says "Why do you think I've been referring to keys so much?"

Well you actually haven't been referring to keys so much...You made one post (639) with the word key in it. And then referred back to it (739) saying what role uses a key.

I'm not sure about this...looks sketchy


Unvote:JMich