That being said, two mistakes that I may be doing (besides, of course, giving too much importance to Rod's and Red's toenish aspects) could be :

1) Skipping the whiskey.

When I started getting these clues I wasn't sure if they were related to visitors or to owners of the place. the tlacum outside my room seemed related to me directly, but maybe it was already dragged outside by p1na (having already been 'tagged' by the clue he had gathered). And I interpreted the whisky as belonging to the victim himself. If it never works like that, if all my clues are related to visitors, then what does it mean ? Is there a whisky afficionado who didn't act tonight ? Or could the whisky belong to the killer, and the high heels to someone else ?

For now, i'm supposing that only the black boots polish belong to a visitor who wasn't active tonight (because blocked). Unless someone else is blocked, or someone has odd/even abilities, the whisky should belong to the victim...

2) I assume there is only one set of belongings, but for all we know there could be five (but again, we seem to have our attached clues mentionned in our PM, and i'm not sure what else from me could be 'stolen' or 'detected'). What I mean is that, maybe, p1na steals another range of elements then what I detect. I kinda doubt it, for the reason given, for the fact that I smell lavender traces while he stole lavender (though maybe i'd have smelled it on him and not on flub), and because I expect interactional mecanics based on info combinations. Still, worth keeping all this in mind.

Now, again, people may have complementary elements, or interpretations to offer. After Amok's flip (and yes, a 1/2 mafia is probable), I kinda expect only 2 people to be mafia, amongst all survivors. So, there should be enough good will to make the best of this all.

It is also possible that both the whiskey and the high heels belong to killers, assuming a different person did each kill.

While lynching me will prove I'm a lyncher and town. It will hardly do more than that to anyone with half a brain. On the other hand, I have had issues with JMich's lurkiness and lack of scum hunting.

I think he is scum and my vote will be on him unless someone can show me reason otherwise.

Vote: JMich

I'm thinking that maybe CSPVG and me should decide to target 2 of the stll unidentified people. Since we would have to coordinate on the forum, the targets will know we're coming, so if we end up killed during the investigation that would be a scum point for the target right?

Not really. If you automatically assume that if you die, your target is scum, it makes sense for scum to target you even if your target isn't scum. WIFOM and all that.

yes, that's why I said scum points and not automatic scum.

JMich is right on that one : it would give us no info on the next day, because we'd be in pure "wifom" over-interpretations, and we'd just ditch the attempt at deducing something from it. Better not declare the targets, as mafia won't be able to establish a night strategy based on them (like, when choosing whether to send Handkerchief or the other for the kill, provided both are still alive, or maybe when deciding the best lynch to make).

Also, I still am quite suspicious about Darko's role (an obligatory "perpetual commuting", unrelated to perpetual ski tracks, when town already had a "reflector" landmine and an omni-watcher), and well, at this point do we have anything to potentially lose by getting a fuller, contextualised, flavor claim by Darko ?

I mean, okay, if he's town then the mafia would already know his function anyway, and I suppose that is everything they'd want and need (they'd have crossed him from their targets list and done). I don't think they'd have much more to gain. But for us, maybe details or a background "explanation" can help evaluate the credibility of that claim.

Or am I the only one who feels skeptical about his position ?

My skepticism is balanced, somewhat, by my still unanswered questions regarding amok's role as deserter.

What would that role have been/done to this game with regards to balance?? And for that matter what the heck is a fackin' deserter?!?!

I can concede the possibility of him being/having been a traitor to be recruited to mafia by using the numbers game we've been playing. This would lead me to think a less than three player team to start with a strongman to counter the jailer and commuter.

Any of this sensible or am I too low on caffeine to be making posts this early??

Flubbucket: I think that it's unlikely that we had a team smaller than three players, simply because the game itself started with fifteen players. I think it's more likely that the scum team was at least three players, with the possibility that amok would join their side.

This feels like splitting hairs though, so I don't really want to get into a prolonged argument about something like this, and will concede that you may be equally as correct.

On everything else: Perhaps it's simply that this game has gone on for so long, but I still feel lost. Honestly, I agree with Telika inasmuch as I find Darko's claim suspect, but am unsure as to whether or not I like the idea of lynching a possible power role( as I stated yesterday when much the same scenario was brought up concerning Nmillar).

Lastly, does anyone think that a mass-claim would be in order?

I've been close to think that at one point, but finally i'm more interested in a Darko claim than in a mass claim. We may still have active townies, and, while, for instance, we know now that vitek had a power blocked (sorry about that), I like to not know what power it is. And I like even more the mafia to not know it.

Anyway my vote on Darko stays, but i'd join a wagon on other suspects as well.

Maybe a dumb question, but was my post on N2 and N3 omniwatching a bit heavy? It's quite clear in my head because I had made graphics on it, and I hesitated to accompany it with a diagram. I still can, if someone thinks it helps.

You forgot the other two claimed cops (apart from your Sherlock Holmes super role), a claimed lyncher, whatever Vitek is and a verified jailer. Which is why I find your insistence that a town commuter is the odd one in that group very weird.
Could you explain how a full claim on my part would help exactly? Because I do remember the previous game and how much JMich's full claim helped.

It's not a matter of weirdness, it's a matter of power balance. Commuter is generally described as too powerful to not be counter-balanced by limitations (n-shots, etc), without even omniwatchers and reflectors. Also I'm not sure why you mention fake claims in your list (as far as I know we only have one claimed cop).

Also yeah, I'm curious to know what flavor background you have for your nightly ski-without-ski trek to the forest (where the killers seemed to gather in the OP). Right now you're the one (with Amok) whose PM I'm most curious to read after the game - town or mafia. But for now, your role seems to integrate better in a mafia background than a town one.

You've stated your function, and you claim it was all there was about it, and for some reason you seem very reluctant about its background. Is the question that annoying ?

I'm not mentioning fake claims in my list, P1na's role sounds like a flavor cop by a different name. Could you help me understand how a mafia commuter would balance out all these supposedly town roles then (since it looks like you've already cleared almost everyone else by now)? Because it doesn't sound like a particularly useful role for the mafia to have.
I'd also like to remind you that woods surround the chalet on "nearly every side", so I'm not sure where you'd expect the town commuter to spend the night (and last time I checked people can indeed walk in the snow).

And yes, considering I don't know your alignment and what the numbers actually do yet, I am indeed reluctant to share. I don't imagine you actually want just the flavor, but my gender and name as well. I'll consider it if more people express an interest (preferably more than 3).

You're untargettable to all town investigative roles.

We have a clue about that, and I expect it to refer to something, and right now I don't really imagine to what else it could.

At this point, what is the possible benefit for mafia ?

A godfather ability would serve the same main purpose instead of what is traditionally a town role (according to the wiki).

For all I know that refers to amok since he did seem to be more than vanilla and know how to ski. We've already discussed this, but I can't see how a perpetual mafia commuter can be used, especially since if they are the only mafia left there won't be anyone to carry out the NKs.

Nightkilling me. We have no idea how the numbers are used.

There's also the lack of night 1 nightkill which has yet to be explained (no other roleblocker has come forward to claim responsibility).