Thank you both.

You an unvote now, TB, if you want. :-)

Twilight gets some plus town points thanks to this as doublevoter is much more likely to be town.

It is powerful ability for scum but it is true that it could be balanced by him being suicidal and by lower amount of scum players on Day 1.
Yet I am more inclined to believe it makes him town than opposite.

One question Twilight, did you copy your player name from your PM when you claimed?


I was thinking about one interesting thing from JMich's claim. He says he tried to role cop but failed and I can't figure out how it jives with CSPVG's claimed actions. It is clear one of them is lying. It likely means that they are not scum together, but it can't be ruled out as they had night to plan this thanks to CSPVG's happening Yesterday.
It means they can't be both town, though.


I think we should pick Krypsyn's target. Most people don't seem to have any direction now and this could really narrow down pool of suspects.
I personally and unsurprisingly favour JMich. I said before I think he is scummy and with role cop claim and last attempts to smear me it was only cemented. Also it will help us to determine CSPVG's alignment.
If not him, I would pick CSPVG, if only for the thing I mentioned in previous paragraph.

I think they no one else should be picked as these two almost certainly hide one scum so together with lynch it will be sure shot and anyone else wouldn't give us so certaintly as this.

My I just point out that TB said he got the double vote ability for today and for today only? it is not a permanent ability. Not that it changes much tough, but I got a feeling reading your post that you think it is permanent? I may just miss-read things.

Anyway, for my self, I still stick with CSPVG. If JMich and CSPVG are the scum left, than he is more of an unknown entity. I believe JMich's claim that he can see peoples powers, but this it do not make much sense that CSPVG has more or less the same role. If JMich is scum, and he can see peoples abilities, then he is more or less disarmed now that we have all revealed what we are and can do. I am getting more and more sure that CSPVG is less trustworthy than most of you, maybe also JMich, but since he is more unknown, I would lynch him first.

Anyway, that's what the voices tell me to so anyway, so it is probably the best course of action. I have not changed my mind just yet.

Another day, another seance. You all know the drill by now - lights off, candles lit, circle, holding hands. Incense, smoke, kumbayah.

"Has any of the scum being voted on today?"

You know the drill. Silence, chilling voice, extra pair of underwear.

"Yes!"

You may know the drill, but that voice is still ghastly.

Well, that clinches it for me. Of those 4 voted on (Me, Vitek, Krypsyn and CSPVG), at least one is now confirmed as scum. And out of these 4, CSPVG is highest on my list of suspects.

Hmmmm.

Not bad question.
It also means that at least one, if not both, of TwilightBard and JMich is town.

I wonder why nobody claimed responsibility for seances.
If some town is responsible for this, he should say so, so we can be sure it is really true. (This laso reminded me, I thought Joe was just relaying someone's else action against SPF but now it looks like it wasn't the case)

After this seance it will be better to shoot CSPVG over JMich.
If Krypsyn is really town and can shoot, then for me it means from pure statistic pov that we have 50% chance to hit scum (as I know my alignment) and with with factoring other things (CSPVG claim, attempt to declare himself cop and the fact that he and JMich can't both be town) the chance is much bigger.
If CSPVG would flip town after all, it would mean that JMich and amok are remaining mafia. OK, for rest of you it would mean that JMich and either I or amok are mafia but that's obviously not option for me.

I am aware of it but it is true I forgot to factor it in. Okay, I am taking some of Twilight's points from this back. :-)

Not really, it could just as well mean that both scums are among the 4 voted for. It does not help much, but the way it is phrased do not rule this option out either. "Any" could mean 1 of the scum, or both of them. Not very helpful, I know, but at least it does not paint us into any logical corners.

Yes, that's what I meant.
One or both of Twilight/Jmich are town.
There are either 1 or 2 mafia in voted group. If there is 1 then one of Twilight/JMich is town and 1 is mafia. If both mafia are in voted group then both are town.
It's is nothing groundbreaking but it helps us as we know they are mafia team together so it narrows our options a little.

Ah, yes I see now, sorry..... the voices were confusing me.... They do that sometimes when I ignore them for too long.

This is what I keep coming back to in my thoughts.
Role-cops are usually scummy and filled with vile plots.
Especially in the case, where we have confirmed/claimed cops in 3 flavors.
I suspect one may have an affiliation that would fill town with disfavor.

Well, I agree that it shooting is involved, it should be one or the other at this point.
But, I would like each person on record with which person they anoint.
I want a paper trail of convictions and opinions, so to speak.
Each person, come what may, should be open to critique.

Right now, however, although CSPVG's actions confuse me,
and he has a 25% chance of being scum (from voting), I do see,
something (everything?) about JMich's role-claim seems scummy.
I think there may some anti-town folks with whom he is chummy.

I will withhold my vote until we get on with the shooting.
But, rest assured, it would have been JMich getting my booting.

I typed the name out, I was looking at the role PM at the time, but I think I spelt it perfectly.

And yes, started writing this post and then lost it, so Unvote, Unvote

As far as Jmich or CSPVG goes...then is the intention to nolynch today? If there are 2 Mafia left, then we can't mislynch today (And Krypsyn has to hit scum).

On that regard, I'm definitely convinced now that CSPVG is Mafia, so let me Vote VCPVG while keeping my second vote off to prevent any quick lynch.

I have another thought, but I'd like to research that before I drive the town batshit crazy.

I am fine with any of them. Most of what I said about CSPVG and info gain works with JMich as well and my gut tells me it's JMich, so I'll be happy whatever is the choice.

I asked because it's apparently Anna-Varney Cantodea not Anna-Vaney Cantodea as you typed.

Please, don't vote now. Let's not vote before Krypsyn shoots.

Reading your post I think you missed one thing. Krypsyn is DAY vig, so we need him to shoot before we lynch. By shooting it puts us into lylo so nolynch would be useless, but shooting JMich or CSPVG will net us certain scum kill (if others agree that one of them must be scum) so it's not bad thing.

*Smacks himself hard in the head.* Yeah...I typoed it. Your Wiki link was what I found when I searched it. Eventually I'll remember I can just simply copy/paste names.

And yes, I did miss the Day part. I'm starting to feel dumb today.

UNVOTE

hmmm..... I wonder if it is not better to save the shoot until the next day? it can then be used to win the game?

Lets assume we lynch the right one - this means that there is 1 scum left. There will be a night killing, you protect Krypsyn, so he can not be killed anyway. He then shoots one of whoever is the survivors, and whatever is left then is mop-up. Things should be very clear at that point.

He kills the wrong one, there is 2 scum left, and we hopefully lynch 1 of them. There is 1 scum left on the next day, there is a night killing. We may or may not know who the last one is, but there will be a need for another lynch.

He kills the wrong one, we lynch the wrong one and, and then it is a night killing, and the game is over.

He kills the right one, we lynch the right one, and we win.

It may just be that the voices are keeping me up to long, and I am getting to tired to think straight, but to me it feels like it can be more beneficial to keep the 1-shot thingy to the next day. No matter what, Krypsyn can not be killed during the night anyway (he is under our protection), so the vigilante will not be lost... I don't know...

What if we lynch te wrong person? Then it's very likely game over.

Leaving it for later is too risky as there is big chance he won't get chance to shoot at all.
Only if we lynch the right person and that's just not guaranteed.

If he shoots either JMich or CSPVG and if he misses we lynch the other one, we get guaranteed scum kill, as they both can't be town. One says he wasn't able to target Ghost, the other one was. They can't possibly both speak truth.

So if he hits, we have chance to wrap it up today, if he misses next day will be chance to kill scum so next day is guaranteed.
If we try to leave it for tomorrow then there is chance there won't be no tomorrow.
I say we play it safer and use it today.


I've got one question for Krypsyn, though.
Are you town?

Good question, as amok seems to have just assumed I am town,
but, to put your mind at ease, if townies die, I do frown.
My role message states that I win when only town (and friends) still exist,
however it never explicitly states that I am on any town list.