There are certain things with nmillar that makes me uneasy as well, but I'm having a hard time seeing how he can be scum.

Anyway, mass claim votecount:

For: Zchinque, Jefe, NFY, Baz
Against: SirPrimal
Neutral: Red_Baron

Not getting ahead of myself here, but if we go through with the mass claim, how do you think we should do it?
I think we should set up an order for the claims prior to the first claim. Seeing as you guys have no particular reason to trust me on the issue, I think Baz should be the arbitrator and have the final word on the order of the list.
I also want everyone to claim, whether or not they have already. Claims should be made in full - name, rolename, role, night actions, flavour, anything. In essence, I'm arguing that we put all cards on the table and play pants-down-mafia.

In that case, I suspect that things are going to get a little nuts.

I agree that Baz should be the one to decide on the order, because he's currently the one I trust the most.

Just going out to say now, before anything is decided, that I will gladly reveal most of mine, BUT there will be a few things I have to keep secret.

In regards of the other stuff, sure - I have said most of it already in different forms ;)

That is correct - I do not have a night action. I'm not allowed to state how my targets are decided.

I catch your look of disapproval and acknowledge it. However, I do think this is the point in the game where I should reveal, so I think I will do so regardless of whether we choose to mass-claim or not. Other than acquiring a target on my back I don't think there will be any particularly unpleasant side effects.

I'll wait for the decision first though - opportune moment and all that.

While I am mostly against mass claiming, I think it's the most useful action at the moment, considering the somewhat stalemate this game has reached. Beyond Zchinque's theorycrafting, most things that occur seem to be speculation on nmillar's role and the odd poking for a slightly suspecious post.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying you're for a mass claim in this case?

@Nmillar: You didn't weigh in on the topic. What's your opinion on the proposed mass claim?

EBWOP:
Fucking Chelsea... :/

As far as I can count the majority is for the mass claim, even without knowing nmillar's opinion and considering SirPrimalform being against. So consider me for the mass claim as well, as said in my earlier post.

No reason not to let him chime in, still.

But since it seems we're going through with this, I suppose we can start discussing claim order.
As said, I would want Baz to act as arbitrator and have the final say on the order.

My suggestion:

1 SirPrimalform
2 jefequeso
3 NotfrenchYet
4 Red Baron
5 Damnation
6 Zchinque
7 Nmillar
8 Bazilisek

Some of the names are pretty interchangeable for me, and I don't really expect to get to claim third to last, but eh...

Unvote Primal

I wanted to do that earlier but GOG ate the post.

I'd be happy to claim (and claim first) if that's what everyone wants. As long as everyone understands that me claiming is not really in the mafia's interest rather than town's.

bah again! (upon request)

I completely fucked up that previous post by changing my wording halfway through. It should have read:

"I'd be happy to claim (and claim first) if that's what everyone wants. As long as everyone understands that me claiming is in the mafia's interest rather than town's."

It was originally going to say "me claiming is not really in the town's interest."

Haha, yea I was reading it and thinking WTF :D Makes more sense now also in regards to what you wrote earlier.

But perhaps you might want to do it like me, if you can. Make the almost full claim and just keep secret what you must keep.. of course if its the role itself or night actions or something like that, then I guess it will be rather impossible to do. For on the other hand if it is some form of restriction I consider it fine to keep secret, same with a rule by X in some way where one can't share it, its also fair game to keep secret if it makes a difference for the game.