It can be highly advised then since it gives you an idea about how people acts depending on their alignment and similar. It can also give you clues to how people will react to certain posts and patterns. Like for instance the one that earned you 2 votes. And yep, that is one of the major things in mafia: One can never trust in others unless proven by facts, hence why even true lack of knowledge is considered a possible act in order to avoid suspicion or interest from others.

This is also why I am leaving my vote on you until I see a better candidate or your posts changes my opinion, like the one you just posted already somewhat did.

As others have already said, since Rodzaju pretty much lynched himself, there's not really a lot of information that can be garnered from the people who voted for him.

I'm not convinced that Bazilisek is definitely town, since (again others have said this) he could be a mafia doctor if there is more than one mafia faction present - I think everyone knows that I believe this to be the case.

I think Robbeasy is town; either that or his manhunt of Rodzaju is an incredibly brave mafia tactic. Damnation is also town.

I stated earlier that TwilightBard was probably town, since the traitor Vitek named him as one of his suspects, but I'm not so sure about this now.

I'm still very suspicious of jefequeso. The normal "lover" role would have suicided last night, so it's either an unconventional version of the role, or bazilisek really is a town doctor ...

Red_Baron as vigilante? Again, this would mean that jefequeso would be the target of the mafia, but I'm not convinced this is the case. Why would the mafia target someone that would normally be expected to die during the night phase anyway?

I'm convinced enough to vote Red_Baron.

I don't know where to place NotFrenchYet, Orryyrro, SirPrimalform and Cruward_Darkeyes yet.

Town: Damnation

Leaning Town: Robbeasy

Neutral: NotFrenchYet, Orryyrro, SirPrimalform, Cruward_Darkeyes

Leaning Mafia: bazilisek, jefequeso, TwilightBard

Mafia: Red_Baron

Hmm this is actually rather sad, I had you down as one of the more certain towns although a bit of an unknown as well, but at least an unknown town. So why do you have to spoil it with this rather inconsistent post your making? Although should be noted your still leaning town in my book, but I do consider all that goes along the rather useless multiple mafia discussion scummy, its delaying town and its irrelevant to town at the moment and should only be kept in mind while considering events.

Oh well, I feel I better reply you as I tend to believe that your post simply is a result of staring oneself blind at possibilities. Lets take it in order:

I agree, though there is some facts to be gained from it: That there is indeed a doctor and a cop, and that Rodzaju did indeed have info about them - as seen from the flavor.

Yes, following your line of thought that could be the case... in which case I would consider Jef to become part of his gang or something to explain his protection of him (besides a plot or an honest town action to save a fellow town from a likely death by suicide). Which is possibilities not to be overlooked.

Okay, thats one opinion. I've become neutral on this, though I believe him to be leaning town as of now - As already said in my former post with thoughts. Take note though, that you consider him town as it was a risky play he performed.

I am very much convinced that TwilightBard is scum, mostly due to his play-style differing from is usual path. So good to see that I am not alone with that line of thought. Concluding anything from who is town based on a traitors comments would be a little dangerous in my opinion, since we know nothing about what kind of traitor Vitek was, or if he even knew anything about others alignments.

Well, that basically comes down to one thing: You believe in multiple mafia hence you believe doc to be a mafia hence you believe jef to be a mafia.

So you believe Robbeasy to be town because he would be a very brave mafia to have hunted Rodzaju, whom did also do his personal best to make the lynch happen. But one who freely claims that he killed Vitek, without any player to convolute the action as Rodzaju did, meaning a much more risky action is definitely mafia? And according to what your saying your basing that conclusion as you consider it unlikely mafia targeted jef. Well I agree, I too consider it unlikely that they targeted jef. But there is tons of other reasons as to why there was no night-kill. And so I reach the important point of all this: I posted my night action for one simple reason: To state that this nights kill was performed by me, and as such it shouldn't be taken as a proof of multiple mafias, or another killer or whatever conclusion could be reached. And I did this for the simple reason that town gained absolutely nothing from discussing it and gained a lot more by knowing that no night-kill was performed by the mafia. This could mean they targeted someone, it could be they were blocked, hell it could even be taken as a strange proof that we have two night-kills then one day without and so on. We wouldn't know the latter for sure until the next night following two nights with kills.

I can only apologise profusely, I haven't even been keeping up with the thread for the past couple of days. I couldn't post earlier in the week and by the time I could post last night I was so distracted with the ending of #8 that I forgot I was even in this game. I completely bombed in #8... sorry fellow mafia #8 townies!

I've got a cold right now, but I felt I really needed to catch up now so I'll share what thoughts have managed to make their way through the fog of snot while reading just now.

Obviously Red_Baron claiming like this is a bit of a shock. There's a lot of talk about why we didn't have two nightkills... Is a simpler explanation not that perhaps Red_Baron is mafia, Vitek's death was the mafia nightkill and Red_Baron claimed because his flavour suggested that he was tracked and wanted to explain why he visited the person who died?
I don't think it's unlikely we have a tracker and it's not unheard of for the tracked to have a hint in their flavour along the lines of "feeling like someone was watching them".

There might be a massive flaw in my logic, I dunno. Please scrutinise it because I cannot brain right now. I has very much 'the dumb'.

I dunno. Sounds like a possibility to me, although I'm tending to think that Red_Baron is town, just from his manner.

Well, I wrote to Violator asking permission to quote my pm mail about the kill, since its so close to the one posted for the night kill that its basically the same, except for explaining the short time before he died. And no I didn't feel someone watching me and the flaw in the that thinking would be if I needed to prevent some odd idea about a tracker breadcrumb something which someone could maybe notice and then try to get a bandwagon going on me for something else.. Thats a lot of ifs, so what it came down to is that I told went and claimed the kill for myself in order for us to know where we stand. Its the easy and simple reason for why I did it. Trying to come up with motives or make what if, and what if that was also then case then maybe he could have.. It doesn't make sense. I basically put myself in the limelight for one reason and one reason only: It was the for town sensible choice that my night action is known. If I myself hadn't told it already then casting a shadow of doubt on me would be rather tough, even if that supposed tracker of you had seen something..

PrePostEdit: Just noticed that I got the consent from ViolatorX, so here is the pm I got, perhaps some of you can make more out of it than whats already been written, though I doubt it:

You decide to take your shot on Vitek, You pick up your crossbow and set off to his house.

You peek through the window and see him sitting down watching tv with some headphones on. You decide to go round the back and pick the backdoor lock.

Your pretty good at that and it takes around 10 seconds, You walk towards the door and you take a deep breath and kick the door open.

He swings around and tries to grab a knife near him, but you squeeze the trigger and the bolt flies out and hits in between the eyes....

Poor Bastard is dead before he hits the ground.

You look around to find cash and a list of contracts he has completed and is awaiting payment.

Vitek is the cash for hire type man, when the crime gangs were wiped out, there were a lot of people looking to do anything for a quick buck.

Although not the bad guys he'd do anything for money and was best off dead.

Feeling moderately happy you set off.

You have killed Vitek he was a Traitor

I'm still feeling boggle headed and I'm about to go to bed but that all seems in order. If that is your PM and you did get permission to quote that then I'd say that certainly seems townish. If you've made this up and are therefore not breaking the quoting rule and if I was the mod, I'd modkill you for playing such a dirty trick. I'm assuming ViolatorX wouldn't like to be lied about so if he doesn't comment on this I'll assume it's all legit. I just bolded that to make sure he sees it.

Some sort of comment from X would be much appreciated.

Well, I did have a lot to comment about...but I'll wait for Violator to state something on this...cause I'm really hoping that this is a made up plot to draw attention, but I can't help but feel really funny about this.

I'll try to take this in order

@NotFrenchYet: The second part of your suspicion of me, comes off as odd. You WANT me to vote for the Doctor? I'm suspicious of Baz because as a claimed Doctor he should be wearing a target that no one could miss. The fact that he's still alive is odd, and has 2 reasons: A) He's Mafia, which is possible, as the doctor part seems to be in our heads besides the fact that he's a roleblocker as well. B) The idea that the Mafia might be doing this on purpose, I'm willing to give another day before I start to get seriously concerned.

I'm suspicious of Jefe because well, he's a big anomaly. He's not supposed to be alive and like I said, something about this doesn't sit right with me.

@Jefe: Baz didn't confirm your claim as much as gave me information that finally made it make SENSE. You being roleblocked is a far better explanation then how you presented your survival. Again, the whole thing now feels like it's more based on gut feeling now that everything's been taken out from under my feet, but I don't have anything else to go on.

@Red_Baron: Ignoring the PM, I'm going to turn around and say that I find the fact that you're bringing up 'how I previously play' to be kinda, scummy in general. I don't like the meta-game argument at all, because it makes people feel like they're locked into play instead of trying to incorporate other play styles into how they're doing things.

You also claimed earlier that you attributed my play style to a time thing instead of me being scummy. Something must have attributed a change in your mind, otherwise it looks funny.

...

You know what, I'm going to touch on the pm posting. I honestly can say I'm not happy with it at all. My first thought is that it's altered just enough to pass the rules so Violator won't comment on it, and the altered version is hiding something. If it is true...honestly I'll probably be far more pissed off about it, it feels like bad play to me.

Official Comment: I was contacted by red baron

Fair enough.

In this case, unvote Jefequeso, vote Red_Baron[\b]

Some speculation: There was no comment that Violator had given his permission (coming from Violator's mouth), nor was there comment of a rule infraction. The above post seemed to be, a big play to try to prevent yourself from being lynched (Even though you had no pressure at all on you, in fact, I don't see a vote at all). Too much information, offered way too readily, and way too quickly.

Current notes before I head off to give a TOEFL exam (muahhaha):

Scummy high fliers on NFY's list of suspicion:
Robbeasy, Bard, nmillar

Townie-type people on NFY's list of suspicion:
Baz, Jef, Damn, Orry

God knows:
Red, Cruward

Violator's input doesn't back you up, Red, but it doesn't damn you either... -_-

oh oh oh vitek fos'd me so..yeah

ok.

One of the main tenets of the Mafia game is pms are pretty much sacred, meant for one persons eyes only. That is why we have the rule that a Modkill will happen if you even paraphrase it.

Another tenet is that a Mod does not interfere with the mechanics of the game or the running of the game, as much as possible.

For those reasons, I also find it very difficult to believe the Mod gave you permission to quote your pm verbatim, Red.

I'm keen to see what other brains make of this ?