So if Rod and Baz both really are Mafia, why would they keep thrusting themselves into the limelight after convincing most of us that they're town? Once again, I'm going back to my old argument that their actions just don't seem like the sort of thing someone would do if they were Mafia. If they had staged the day 1 argument then vanished out of sight, I might be suspicious. But they keep dragging that whole business back to our attention, which would be a really stupid move if you were Mafia, for exactly the reasons we're seeing here: it makes people like Rob start suspecting them.

The way I see it, we're basically dealing with probabilities here. Until someone is lynched or nightkilled, we can't know for certain whether they're town or mafia. At this point, Rob and Baz have the highest probability of being town. So I would say that the best course of action is to ignore them for the moment and concentrate on the people with a much lower probability--aka, everyone else. Otherwise, we're basically just going around in paranoid little circles and not getting anywhere.

I think that the votes for Itai need to me examined a little more closely. We should be looking for people who snuck them in there under the radar. I'm still sticking with my original thoughts...Mafia are going to be in the background, trying to stay unnoticed, but also the ones who are making sure to cause trouble and stir up wine.

Here's the point I think we have reached here - if we DON'T do something about these two, we will always be going around in paranoid little circles and not getting anywhere!

Saying these two have the highest probability of being town rests wholly on believing Rods claim, but at this point I dont think it matters, for the following reason...

Frankly , I think we have everything to gain from Lynching Rod, and not much to lose. The amount of info he has already released means that whichever way he flips, it will still give us so much good information for the next day. If we leave it alone, we can never confirm whether what he says is good, right until its too late.

Like I've said, I personally think now his claim is too far fetched and out there to be real - he's lying, either a little or a lot. BUT - even if he flips Town the info gained far outweighs any loss.

I'm sorry, but advocating the lynch of a townie looks mighty suspicious to me. We certainly have NOT gained all we can from Rod... according to him, he has information on 3 other people, which could save us from mislynching in the future. Plus, the more town we have, the further we are from the Mafia controlling the lynch. Picking off our own is just shooting ourselves in the foot. I would say that we have little to gain and a lot to lose by lynching Rod.

And my belief that Baz and Rod are town rests more on the illogic of their actions if they were Mafia, which is a lot more than I have for everyone else.

Here, you're advocating continuing the WIFOM that is the whole Rod debate. I want to eliminate the WIFOM for once and for all. Which is the more scummy behaviour here?

I'm not advocating the lynch of a Townie - I think his claim is too farfetched, I think he's scum. What I'm saying is even if he IS Town, the information gained makes it no big loss.

How? He's already said that he doesn't know which players they are.

But presumably they would claim before the hammer is dropped.
If they are on my list, i would be able to confirm the truth of their claim.

I thought he said he didn't know what the people's names were. Or was it the other way around?

One of the reasons I don't believe you - too much power! And why only Baz's actual name?

Plus, if you are Mafia , you could very easily get a power role lynched...no, I ain't buying it, sorry.

Plus, if there are multiple mafia there might be mafia doctors or jailkeepers. Even if Rod is town it hardly means all the roles he knows are town. I don't think it can be as simple as "Oh you're on Rod's list? Better not lynch you then".

Seriously, how could it be out of context? I think you've provided a bucketful of context already. Your name and role claim would be just another piece in a mosaic that gets weirder by the minute.

OK.
I am Blake Johnson, Drug Dealer, TOWN NETWORKER.

Now you see my point.

If the votes start piling up, as I expect them to, I will paraphrase my flavour text to put it into context & then we're royally screwed.

Good point.
In fact I seriously suspect (from the flavour) that one of the names on my list IS scum.

See? It's starting to make at least some sense now.

It is?
How?

And why exactly would you do it? You would screw town only to save yourself?

The way I see it, it is every Townies job to fight as hard as they can to stay alive.
Sure, some will die; that's the nature of the game, but if you just roll over & take it, you're helping the scum win.

I believe that releasing this info wholesale is harmful for town.
However, we have already seen that not everyone either agrees with or believes me.
If the thought of this information entering the public domain gives someone pause, then I have fulfilled my obligation to stay alive.
If people REALLY think this info should be out there, here is their opportunity to say so.