Yes, I think from the mention of a specific gang in the NK flavour we can be pretty sure that there's more than one mafia faction. Now, whether there's any kind of kill limit (like in mafia #4) remains to be seen.
It could be that there were two kills and one was blocked in some way or perhaps they only get to kill on alternating nights, I guess we'll find out more tomorrow morning.
I doubt the "Shattered Hand Clan" are the guys who set the bomb that killed our leader.

@Rodzaju: Why are you so fixated on giving info to the mafia? Please think before you click post... ._.

Maybe it's for better. If I was able to figure it out, then it's highly possible mafia was too. :-)
So it's maybe better people who weren't aware of it know it now.

I can't get over the fact you know identity of one players out of four roles. Do you have flavour explanation?
Because explanation I was able to come up with is Night 0 investigation either by you or fellow scum and I'd like to hear better one.

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My Role PM contains flavour text to explain why I know character names & roles.
I really don't know why 1 player name was included.
I do not have any night actions, night 0 or not.

I have to admit myself that although my thinking so far on the whole thing is that the info you seem to have is far too much info to be in Mafia hands, you really don't help us out much with on one hand being very clear when outing other players, yet when asked questions about your own role or flavour, you seem to evade it.

Something ain't right. You have danced about the subject enough Rod - can we have a full role claim please? What you have stated you know so far has several things going against it..

Its info I've never heard of or experienced being available to a player pre-game- cant find any instances on an extensive search of any Mafia game / forum either.

Its inconsistent info - Roles & Character names for 4 players, yet you on top of that get BAZ's player name???

You INSIST on dropping out these hints / roles in your posts - when EVERYONE keeps telling you not to, I think you might have some sort of post restriction....

I just cant get past the fact that having THAT much info available to you if you were Mafia would make you uber powerful. Which means you're Town, or some Third Party. Or you ARE Mafia and are making a lot of it up, which would implicate Baz as well, as you constantly confirm each others posts.

Can you deny or confirm any of what I have postulated above? And for chrissakes, DON'T reveal any more info we don't already know about other players!!

If we could get a good handle on what you are and why you are doing what you are doing, I think it can only be good for town. I don't see it as rolefishing, I really do think we need to get this out in the open as quickly as possible. Does anyone disagree with me?

Every read I have so far has assumed you are Town (and by association, Baz is as well) , as I pointed out a while back, but there's too much odd stuff about you and your Role to be sure. So please convince me.

What do you think about Damnation?

And about Twilight?

I don't like this at all. You did't want to look scummy? Why would you look scummy if you thought he is good lynch? There is no rule hammerer is considered scum in any case. More likely so far hammerer was townie. Unless you knew he is town.
It's nothing big but I like my votte to be palced somewhere. Vote NotFrenchYet.


PRE-EDIT: Wrote this half an hour ago and forgot to post this. I agree with Rob, we need to clear up theRod situation.

hey so iv been away for a while (a few reasons mostly to mutch sky rim) anyone care for a recap of the past few pages? im way to tired to read all of it

I don't see where you are going here.
I answered the question that was posed.
Vitek asked if I have flavour explanation for the information I have.
I explained that I do have flavour for the character names & roles.
I do not have flavour explanation for including Baz (player name).
I do not know why that name was included.

This seems contradictory.
You ask for a full role claim from me, without any more information about other players.
However, it is my role & the information about that that ties me to these other players.
Even if I was to carefully avoid any reference to others, a lot of information could be inferred from my roleclaim.
Also, I believe that a simple name & role from me, seperate from the flavour explanation (Which would give away other players) will make me look like scum, when this is not the case.
Therefore, IF people insist on a full claim, you will get one, but I strongly feel that this is a bad idea.

I can confirm that both me & Baz are town!

I pretty much completely agree with Rob here. I'm wondering if he's a mafia role cop and there was a night 0. If so he could have checked Baz and be using the info he has on Baz to claim town. He may well be bluffing about having info on 3 other players (would explain why he doesn't have their names).

I don't mean to be a dick, but you really should read it yourself. Any recap will be coloured by the person doing the recapping. Have a rest and come back when you're not tired.

To Confirm

There wasnt a night 0 in this next game

Next game I do WILL have a night 0 though, something ive been pondering how to implement

Well that blows my elaborate theory out of the water. It seems he must at least be telling the truth about getting this info in his PM.

A simple name and role is what I am after yes, not a full roleclaim with flavour and everything..

So you're happy to drop out hints, and virtually out Baz completely as Jailkeeper, but you believe a simple name & role about yourself will not help town???

You know what - feck this, I'm going to go back on what I said a couple of pages ago. It stinks, it stinks to high heaven. I think you're pulling something and there's only one way to the bottom of it.

Yes I'm flipping completely from a couple of pages back, a complete 180 degree turn. The more I look at you, the more it just doesn't sit right with me.

If nothing else , it will stop these constant leaks of 'info' which muddies the waters...

vote Rodzaju

One more thing I don't think anyone has picked up on (which I asked specifically for) -- Rod claims the penalty for breaking his rather complex post restriction is a modkill.

And frankly, I don't like that. A modkill is by far the clumsiest way of enforcing a post restriction. Sure, it made sense in M6, as that game was super-complicated. I personally gave this to my Godfather/Jester in M5, because there really was no other way to prevent him from spilling the beans to his scumbuddies and making the Jester part of his role irrelevant. Otherwise, I'd think any mod would try to avoid something like that at all costs, because breaking the restriction in such case means not only spilling out info, but also deeply unbalancing the game by removing a player out of sequence.

In any case, I agree with Vítek that Rodzaju's post restriction is implausibly specific. Frankly, I'd love to remove Rodzaju from the game, but I'm not at all sure if I want to waste our lynch on him, because he is absolutely right in saying it's difficult to imagine a scenario in which this information is given to the mafia.

The problem that I have is that I believe my name & role, taken out of context look like a scum & will possibly encourage people to lynch me.
Therefore I am unwilling to give this without the flavour that puts it in context.