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I hate weekends and Mafia games - theres big pauses between posts and it all gets a bit disjointed.

Still nothing from Damnation then - Quad is unusually quiet as well. Cruward I think can be excused somewhat, its difficult to start with.

So Cruward, heres a direct question or two to help you - have any thoughts on the Rod - Baz doings? Do you think Rod was a bit foolhardy coming out with all that info so early on?
Trust me when I say I really, really did not want to do this.

In post #114, Rodzaju starts calling for Angelo Cervi, in #119 for Denton Walters. In #136, he identifies me as Walters. And in #146, he shares this wonderful nugget:
"BAZ, you know who you are.
What possible setup would give that information to the mafia at game start?"

Unless the mafia is a bunch of clueless idiots, Rod has just given them my identity on a silver plate, and said that I was important for town. Well done, Rod.

Yes, that is what I am. I am Denton Walters, the Town Doctor.

As this information was all but out in the open anyway, I think it is preferable to cut the speculation short and claim, even though I hate doing it. Remember I'm not painting a target on my back with this, as I already have a perfectly good one there courtesy of Rodzaju.

Now after this happened, it was itai.sharim who asked exactly the right questions: in #149 "Why would you mark BAZ as special? Why would any town member do that?"; #151 "Why ask anybody not to identify themselves if you identify them yourself?" (to which, by the way, Rod immediately responded with a vote for itai in #152 which however was not bolded and as such is not included in the official votecount). Therefore,

unvote itai.sharim

That vote of mine was just a wake-up call, itai. What you were doing in post #195 wasn't pro-town. But no, I don't really think you're scum.

Now Rodzaju. There are two possibilities here, as usual. If he's town, his play has been as anti-town as it could possibly be: to give an executive summary, in a banal situation (at L-4), he tried to (needlessly) save his hide by outing the town doctor. I ask with itai, why on Earth would any town member ever do that?

The other possibility: he's mafia, and he's trying to pull the most audacious stunt ever seen on this site. A big question remains: why would the mod tell scum that I am the doc? I've been thinking about that for a long time, and I've come up with a hypothesis. Imagine this: a mafia that doesn't trust each other. Read the very first post; multiple mafias would be basically impossible to pull off in a 15-person game, but this would actually make a lot of sense, given the flavour. In such a scenario, I could just imagine a group of scum who are forbidden to share their information at night; a bunch of back-stabbing lone wolves, if you will.

To recap, if Rodzaju's town, his play on this day was extremely bad, and I'm perfectly willing to let him hang just to set an example. If he's scum, I want to applaud him, and let him hang right afterwards.

vote Rodzaju

Oh and by the way, I noticed one thing. Post #80, Robbeasy opens up the theory of Rodzaju's slip (speaking of "town", not "us", if you remember). #94, JoeSapphire jumps in to say this slip was not interesting at all, but Rob breaking out of RVS was. Several pages later, the sorry business of Rodzaju's claim is being discussed, and who jumps in but JoeSapphire in #164, curiously handwaving the whole thing? And when in #175 Joe points out the discrepancy in Grynn's statements re: his newbishness, what does Rod do two posts later? Votes Grynn. But of course they are not scumbuddying, they're just really good friends!

Post scriptum: there is, of course, a possibility that I am lying, as some of you will undoubtedly realise. There is no way to prove I am what I say I am, unfortunately; I have no other information than this, and no other role than a bog-standard doc. You'll just have to trust me, and ask yourself a very simple question: if I were scum, would I really post this?
At 4 votes, I threw a few names out to make people stop & think & hopefully to reduce the momentum building to lynch me.

When this got more attention that I'd bargained for, I asked people to drop it.
Baz you were one of those that kept pushing so I identified you as Mr Walters as a shout "THIS ISN'T HELPING".
You still wouldn't let go.
What else was I supposed to do?
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Rodzaju: When this got more attention that I'd bargained for, I asked people to drop it.
Baz you were one of those that kept pushing so I identified you as Mr Walters as a shout "THIS ISN'T HELPING".
You still wouldn't let go.
What else was I supposed to do?
What I was doing the whole time, dear Rodzaju, was shouting "THIS ISN'T HELPING" right at you.

Honestly, if we're both town, which one of us was helping and which one was not during that exchange, what do you think?
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Rodzaju: When this got more attention that I'd bargained for, I asked people to drop it.
Baz you were one of those that kept pushing so I identified you as Mr Walters as a shout "THIS ISN'T HELPING".
You still wouldn't let go.
What else was I supposed to do?
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bazilisek: What I was doing the whole time, dear Rodzaju, was shouting "THIS ISN'T HELPING" right at you.

Honestly, if we're both town, which one of us was helping and which one was not during that exchange, what do you think?
If we've reached the point of full disclosure, you ARE the town doc, but not a bog standard one.
Unfortunately, I am not able to explain that fully.
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Rodzaju: If we've reached the point of full disclosure, you ARE the town doc, but not a bog standard one.
Unfortunately, I am not able to explain that fully.
In that case thank you for confirming my suspicions. My role is as standard as can be. You are lying, and you deserve to be lynched. Good day.
As you have confirmed your identity, I would be very surprised if you survive the night.
Tomorrow, we will see if I am lying.
If you do turn out to be standard doc, I'll vote to lynch myself!

Sometimes a mod doesn't tell the player everything....
Why do you think I have the role I have?
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Rodzaju: If we've reached the point of full disclosure, you ARE the town doc, but not a bog standard one.
But why do you do that?
This time you are not at L-4...
Why? Why?
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Rodzaju: If we've reached the point of full disclosure, you ARE the town doc, but not a bog standard one.
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itai.sharim: But why do you do that?
This time you are not at L-4...
Why? Why?
Baz had already claimed town doc, so there was no reason to be coy about it any more.
wait so what can a doctor do?
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Cruward_Darkeyes: wait so what can a doctor do?
Protect against a mafia nightkill.

You really ought to look up the basics on this wiki, it's a very useful source of information.
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bazilisek: Imagine this: a mafia that doesn't trust each other. Read the very first post; multiple mafias would be basically impossible to pull off in a 15-person game, but this would actually make a lot of sense, given the flavour. In such a scenario, I could just imagine a group of scum who are forbidden to share their information at night; a bunch of back-stabbing lone wolves, if you will.
Suppose it's true. Suppose there are a bunch of back-stabbing lone wolves.
Why would one of them get so much info on the town's doc?
I still believe Rodzaju is town.

Unless both Rodzaju and bazilisek are both mafia and just play with our heads.
nmillar words still echo in my head
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nmillar: There's definitely a link between Rodzaju and Bazilisek, but we won't know which side they are on until one is lynched or an investigation is carried out.
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itai.sharim: Suppose it's true. Suppose there are a bunch of back-stabbing lone wolves.
Why would one of them get so much info on the town's doc?
I still believe Rodzaju is town.
Quite honestly, I have no idea. The reason I refuse to believe him is that I've either been in or read quite a few games on this site that Rodzaju was in, and he never did something as blatantly stupid as this.
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itai.sharim: Unless both Rodzaju and bazilisek are both mafia and just play with our heads.
Seriously, I wish I were able to come up with such a devilish mafia ploy as this.
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Cruward_Darkeyes: wait so what can a doctor do?
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bazilisek: Protect against a mafia nightkill.

You really ought to look up the basics on this wiki, it's a very useful source of information.
thanks/sorry
*facepalm*

We are off to great start.

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itai.sharim: Suppose it's true. Suppose there are a bunch of back-stabbing lone wolves.
Why would one of them get so much info on the town's doc?
I still believe Rodzaju is town.

Unless both Rodzaju and bazilisek are both mafia and just play with our heads.
nmillar words still echo in my head
He has to have über super powerful role if he is willing to out doctor to save himself.
If he won't get counter-claimed soon we can presume baz is mooost likely not lying.
Yes, they could do it to draw out real doctor but I highly doubt outing doctor is worth two mafia members.