Ok, here's my thoughts:

Rod, I think you made a major mistake with the whole name reveal slip, but I'm enclined to believe you aren't mafia. Grynn, your tendency to want to keep everyone alive seems a little suspicious, considering you aren't new at this game as I was/am.

Nothing else is really standing out to me. And Rod's slip would be pointless were he Mafia, unless it was a really risky plan to try and keep insulate himself from lynching. I haven't ever done this before, so I don't know for sure, but my gut feeling is that none of the Mafia members are going to draw attention to themselves on day one. So I'm more suspicious of the "lurkers" than of Rod or Grynn. Anyone who didn't get involved in the discussions surrounding those two.

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You're no noobie as far as I can tell, yet you've been staying suspiciously aloof from the proceedings. That seems fishy to me.

That's awfully assertive Rob!

I have played one and I already know all there is to know about forum mafia.
um.

Have you resorted to just copying me now? :P

I do have to agree though, there are a few lurkers, and it's not the usual ones ...

I had been having a bit of trouble connecting to GOG over the past few days and asked Joe to pass on my apologies but he didn't bother. Bah!

I'll be honest with you, I've only played 3 games. All right, so in two of those my side won and the third fell apart entirely, but still - my strength has never been the opening. Or making my thoughts on a single post I'm creating last less than 1 hour, which alas doesn't lend itself to me making many posts. :P

Still, you're quite right - I should start posting more of my thoughts or I'm going to end up dead one way or the other rather sharpish - either lynched or dead by a Mafia bullet for a kill that's tricky to trace.

I would like to point out an exchange that to my eyes is rather odd. In post #139, itai.sharim uses the phrase "this information should go with Rodzaju to the grave", which as I understand would refer to killing him in order to silence him. However, after post #141 by Bazilisek has him misinterpret this as an attempt to extract information from Rod, the next post has him suggesting he feels full, trustworthy information is key to the Town's victory. It seems to me a slightly odd change of heart - I could be misinterpreting his reasoning, but still.

As for Grynn? This may sound odd, but I'm far more curious as to why the word "good" might be in italics in one of his posts (I'll check back as to which one on request), even though I'm not entirely sure it counts as evidence one way or the other at this stage.

Rodzaju could still be double-bluffing, hoping to survive because people believe a mafia member wouldn't have drawn the limelight so early in the game. There's definitely a link between Rodzaju and Bazilisek, but we won't know which side they are on until one is lynched or an investigation is carried out.

At this stage, I would happily vote for either of these two or one of the lurkers.

It's interesting how there's not much activity on days that I'm around, like yesterday, but when I'm gone all day, everyone starts talking.

But yeah, if people don't come back, lynch all lurkers should probably come into effect.

Go on and create activity on quieter days, then. ;-)

That would be a pretty risky gamble to make, although I'm certainly not ruling it out as a possibility.



Anyway...

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for now

I just wanted to gauge your reaction.

I think Rodzaju won't survive many nights, nor will bazilisek.
Under this assumption, should Rodzaju share his information or take it to the grave?
Why do people keep quoting half sentences is beyond me.

bazilisek never misinterpreted my intentions. I did toy with the idea of putting more pressure on him in order to extract more information.
As bazilisek was against extracting more info from Rodzaju, I let it drop - as I feel the two are connected and are pro town.

I still think full, trustworthy information is key to the Town's victory, and I feel bazilisek agrees on that point (excluding day 1 information exchange).

I've been quite busy the last few days and I really need to do a thorough reread of the thread, hence my relative lack of activity lately.

What a very nmillar thing to say.
I understand where you are coming from, but you might try to reread the whole exchange once again; I think you'll find my reactions to it would make no sense at all if both me and Rod were scum. I'm afraid that with all the bits of information floating around, it is not very difficult to connect the dots and understand what is actually going on here.

I agree Damnation feels scummy, but then again, he always does. Grynn, not so much. But as I said, I really need to update my notes before I make up my mind.

Or one of them is murdered.

I think the scenario described by JoeSapphire more plausible.
Mafia might ignore the power roles for one night to give an illusion, but ignoring town's power roles is too risky for them.

I personally think you expressed yourself well enough. However, I believe the town's only motive to delay a lynch is to protect its power roles - which frankly, I can't see happening at the current situation. So, because our main motive is gone, I'd say we should lynch today.
Do you still hold your opinion of "no lynch"?

'Lynch All Lurkers' IS a very valid proposition - if you arent contributing then the inference is you are not Town - as Town you should be doing all you can to ferret out Mafia, and staying quiet doesn't help in any way at all. But in this case I used that as an excuse to vote for Damnation so i could gauge reaction to it more than anything else....

Basically my thinking is thus - Damnation had given a perfectly valid reason for not posting - an RL one. We HAVE to take that as gospel - it takes a really really terrible and twisted person to claim he cant post because of real life issues, just because he wants to lurk. Its wrong and I would expect a MOD to take a very dim view of it. So with that in mind I wanted to see if anyone would jump on my prod...

No-one went nuts and chucked their vote in with me, and the only people to mention it were nmillar, Orryrro and Bazilisek

nmillar had brought up the lynch all lurkers in the first place, but agreed there 'were a couple' and would be happy to stick his vote on one.

Orry only made a passing comment on it.

Baz said Damnation looked 'Scummy, but then again he always does'.

Strongest reaction from Baz, but in reality not a whole lot to go on. Baz moves up the scumlist, but not exactly shooting up there.....

In hindsight its not that good a prod, but I'm trying..;o) I'm still very interested and holding off on a big read of everyone until Damnation returns with his thoughts.

Unvote Damnation

Anyone else want to give us their reads so far?

Explaining the idea like that means that the Mafia would find other ways to deal with him (such as roleblocking) without killing him to make us mislynch him. If he's town then a roleblocker can keep him from using his abilities while we lynch him because they haven't killed him, this is a viable tactic.

If he's Mafia, he might have an ability, and keeping him alive lets him use that ability more. This is quite a bit more problematic then you let on.

It's not that you didn't express yourself well, it's more that...I think you spoke before you really thought of it. As I stated, the core of the game is that we're NEVER 100% sure of the moves we make until after we make them. Until the Mod says something, EVERYTHING falls under Wine in Front of Me, because in all honestly everything else can be falsified. First off, any claimed roles could be falseclaims, meant to stop of from lynching a claimed power role, or in the case of a cop, they have a twist to them (Seeing everyone as town, everyone as mafia, that sort of thing).

There have been plenty of Falseclaims, and hell, I believe Damnation made a wonderful Day 1 implosion in one of the early games by CLAIMING MAFIA (He was actually Town). Game 6 didn't even give us roles upon lynching (we only learned who had what when everyone pasted their mod emails, as Ghost was sadly unable to keep modding).

We can only hunt out scum and do out best to make sure they end up at the end of a rope, not an innocent townie. Watch for slips, come up with the best information that we can obtain, and scumhunt relentlessly.

Vote stays, right now I see no reason to remove it.

Rodzaju claims to have a day ability (information) - which mean that mafia can't roleblock him.
bazilisk on the other hand seems to possess some kind of a night ability, maybe even information as a day ability. Mafia might roleblock him, but bazilisk was never suspected as mafia.

True, so very true.
However, I think bazilisk is town, and his defensive stance toward Rodzaju makes me believe Rodzaju is town as well.
What do you think, should we risk it?

I think two night scenarios are likely to happen:
1. bazilisk roleblocked (if mafia has one).
2. Rodzaju ignored to make him look mafia.
3. Some random town member murdered - my guess it won't be one of the lurkers.

alternatively, Rodzaju might be murdered to silence him.