I'm going to pass on that actually, i feel pretty confortable following your words about leaving politics out of video games, so i really don't feel the need to lobby for the catering of any particular susceptibility, including mine, through the use of such 'options'.

That's a shame, Anders is the perfect example of how NOT to do things. As a matter of fact DA2 is an all around very prolific game in regards to perfect examples of how not to do things...

Comparing Christian "intolerance" to non-Christian tolerance is a major mistake - and maybe even dishonest.

Firstly, Christianity is not the same in time and space.

In time :

Christianity was not against homosexuality until say the 13th century. For quite a long time, homosexual sexual relationships were seen as a sin, but a sin of the same level as - say - fornication, masturbation, and generally speaking all non-procreative sex. As for homosexual love, Christianity did not care.

In space :

CATHOLICISM became less tolerant since the end of the Medieval Age, but Orthodoxy was always (and still is) fairly tolerant toward homosexuality. Same with Anglicans - which kept it at the (regular) sin level during most of their history - and with many "Protestant" churches. In any case, there was the tolerance of the church, and the tolerance of the people, and those were - and are still - different.


Second, for every one of your examples, I could find an opposite example of civilization "not liking homosexuals". China ? This is a Yang-Yang relationship - don't do it. Islam ? It is one of the few issues on which the Hadith are clear (and they are not very tolerant) ... but on the other hand Turkey and before the Ottoman Empire was extremely tolerant to homosexuality, being the first country to completely legalise it mid-19th century.


Finally, most often the "tolerance" is not clear cut. To give a simple example, in Rome being "passive" in the sexual encounteers was considered shameful, whereas being active was OK


In all case, NO civilization that I know of ever allowed homosexual wedding before the 20th century - so for any game in a "traditional" fantasy setting, this is a no-no for me - kills imersion. [If you make a non-trad setting, it is no problem for me. I would have had no problem seeing homosexual weddings in Morrowind].

My preference : no romance in my RPGs, thanks. I might like the universe / story / whatever, but I never felt any feeling for the characters, beyond "I like that guy/gal".

Nice strawman argument.

If my RPG happens in Viking Scandinavia, I would be a bit upset if due to PC reasons, there would be 30% black people in there (even though there were a few of them, due to the Vikings raiding Northern Africa).
If my RPG happens in the South in 1860 (or in America in 1930), it would break immersion to see interracial marriages being "common".
If interracial weddings are forbidden in my Sci-Fi Space Opera RPG, I would expect if to be a major plot-point, though.

I do agree that the world should be believable, but this is not strawman, just projecting the ridicule back onto the original poster. None of the alternations from the original post were unfitting for the game worlds.

Even though theres a lot of arguments here i have to come back to my original point which is that in order to play this game i will have to break my immersion which i don't want to have to do.

I can see alot of towns hating me when I decide to purge the towns of them, after I'm done, skyrim won't include any gay npc's at all because i don't want to play Elder Scrolls: Guyriming and unfortunatly this is what the developers have drove me to even though in oblivion i didn't kill any civilians and don't like doing it.

Justice must be done, skyrim must be cleansed.

As far as I know, Skyrim isn't even a good old game, so why come here and complain about it? Try Ultima I, I bet you won't find any gay characters kissing or hitting on you in it.

Btw, your portrait looks kind of familiar, but the drawing is a bit crude and simplistic. I like this one better.

The vast majority of video games put me in control of heterosexual characters. I have never found myself disgusted and I usually don't immediately assume the inclusion of heterosexual characters is political. It is a little disappointing to see role players have no problem taking on the roll of elves, orcs, androids, a variety of ethnicities, animals, gelatinous blobs, women, etc, but there is a clear barrier of discomfort when it comes to playing as or interacting with LGBTQ characters.

I wouldn't overrate it. It's not even clear to me that the OP really is a roleplayer, although he's playing his role here as good as can be expected of him. I've seen these kinds of threads on other forums and they were surprisingly similar to this one; I bet it isn't even meant as a discussion about games. But most of the replies here really speak in favor of the GOG community's maturity.

Still, I'm curious which RPG lets you play the role of a gelatinous blob? :)

Troll post? Check.

Troll avatar? Check.

People still getting trolled regardless? Check.

There is a lot of maturity around the GOG forum (relatively speaking) which is why I didn't fly off the handle. And the OP's trollface did prematurely reveal the nature of the thread. Still, in the wake of some honest opinions surfacing, I'm just throwing in my perspective. Oh, and one of the Resident Evil games let you play as a giant block of tofu. Does that count?

I bet, some roguelike does. I've seen Old Ones, mecha and ogres as main characters there.

I didn't like DA2's way of doing things, because everyone was basically bi-sexual. That's unrealistic. Plurality of people are straight, many gay, smallest minority is bi.

The reason it was a problem was believability.
Wait, so not being bi-sexual is equivalent to being racist? ROFL. Yeah...

Wouldn't... oh I don't know... dragons break the suspended disbelief before bisexuality?

Choice means letting someone do something that is in direct opposition of what you believe in. You can't ask for absolute freedom in a game then complain when they implement something you disagree with.

I don't think I've had anything dedicated to me before :D
With DA2 it did come off a bit lazy. I think they did it to try and please everyone, so anyone with any character could pursue any of the offered relationships. I think they decided to use it for publicity a bit after the fact. I'm not sure if they annoyed more people with it than if they had given characters a particular sexuality.