Order? I proposed course of night actions and wanted to discuss them? Where do you see ordering?

But yeah, I changed my mind, withold that flavour for now.

Totally agree. Me being dead or not I would agree with this. Again, assuming Stuart is scum. I dont think the flavor will immediately implicate anyone, but it will could help reduce the pool.

Ah, I guess I misinterpreted your tone. My mistake.

Anyway, I would rather not be shot obviously. But in the interest of giving a better reason than self preservation, I don't think tonight's the night for a vig killing, particularly if it's a one shot. I'd rather save it for tomorrow and use it to narrow down two suspects, shoot one and lynch the other.

I'm not even really certain we have one. Would that be normal, to have a survivor vig and a town one too?

Usualyl I would say no but this game had 13 players instead of 12 so I think 1-shot vig is not impossible.

I was thinking it is good time mainly when he flips scum because then there will be only 1 scum left and most people would agree it's hidden somewhere among those three players I listed so targeting each one of them with one of these abilities could win the game. (1 get shot, I blocked and 1 copped so if there was last scum among them we are done)

When did Robb get a pass? Last night (IRL) I was being called scummy because I was supposedly "defending" him. I don't think just because Joe thinks he's town he's cleared, unless Joe offers up a better reason.

Like I said, I don't agree that the scum pool is limited to those three, and not just because I'm included in it. I mean, right now Robb is slightly edged out as my top choice for the elusive third scum. I suppose your plan eliminates a lot of potentials at once, but there quite a few other possibilities. You could be the luckiest Godfather ever for all we know.

The main problem I see with Vitek's idea is It leaves the cop open - if he dies how do you know what he discovered?

That was my concern too, but I realized that if cop dies then it's obvious the one who was investigated is scum, as nightkill wouldn't happen if he was role blocked.

It's a great plan, assuming you think that the only possibilities for scum are the three players Vitek suggests. I don't agree, and I'm worried that it could lead to a mislynch if the scum is a different player outside Vitek's pool.

Yes, of course it will work if the only possibilities for scum are the three Vitek suggests.
As it stands Rob is still my top scum priority.

Yeah, it is possible scum is outside this pool but I beileve scum is among them (among you) and it has highest possibility to be so. I have reason to put Rob on town pile for now and Joe catching pazzer in lie makes him town too. This leaves you three.

Yeah, I think that's the most worrying part about this whole thing. The possibility that the last scum could be someone that isn't in the grouping of three. We could easily have a mislynch in a few cases.

@Muttly: I think the Killer/Not Killer thing might be based to allow you to catch Baron. Although Town/Not Town could have easily done this as well...But who knows.

Interesting idea. When I suggested the same thing about Muttly you were the one to mock me...

Just a reminder, it is much easier for scum to out scum than for scum to out third party.

WTH? This has nothing in common. As you said yourself muttly did "extremly weak case against Red_Baron" and at that time we didn't know he is cop. Joe caught pazzer lying about his claim. And that was in time when he didn't have much reason to bus him.

How is this "the same thing"?

According to what scale? And because....?

Blimey - have a day away from 'puter and see what happens!!

We've moved on a bit then...;o)

@itai - no way was Joe a bussing attempt - too early, no reason, etc etc (pre-post edit : i see Vitek has beaten me to that point!).

If Stuart flips Mafia (and I think he will) - I cant see Town losing. If he flips Town the nights proceedings will go a long way to deciding which faction wins...

How does "You thinks he's town" = "He is town"?

You're asking the entire town to subscribe to your view of the game, with no reasons to back it up. Furthermore, you're pushing a plan that could end up with one townie shot, Muttly nightkilled and another mislynched while the scum sits by laughing because he's "confirmed town". Not liking that.