Hmmm, another option came on my mind. He could bename cop trying to use "real" John Smith to buddy himself.

was checking lynch wagons (and muttly's from today) and I have noticed both pazzer and Peanut were on all of them. Also pazzer managed to be 3rd person on 1 wagon (muttly's) and Peanut was even 3rd once (crazy) and 4th twice. I am pointing it out because of the old rule saying 3rd place on wagon is most scummy and 4th place is the second most.

Hmmm...

I guess you have only missed post #586 where I specifically stated I am waiting for Baron to answer nmillar's question (and as an extension waiting for nmillar's response on that). I see you tend to miss a lot of posts...

OK, you make a valid point of suspecting Muttly just as much. Could you explain why you suspected him? Because from what I got it seemed to stem from him pushing for Baron's lynch. Surely you can see the problem of attacking him for pushing a lynch you admit is a no brainer.

Reason 3 and reason 2 are unconnected. This reason means you are just trying to find someone to lynch/claim. You, along with Pazzer and Peanut (all you three are guilty).

Made a mistake in my last post as Pazzer has not switched to TB.

I'm getting grief for calling out blatant posts, Itai repeatedly mentioned how lynching Muttly was a bad thing and that his targetting and tunnel vision on Red wasn't luck. This implies some knowledge or some view of the events that transpired, and at the time Muttly had not claimed. The fact that he wasn't willing to even elaborate with views from other posts STILL strikes me as extremely odd.

My unvoting of itai was due to the inability for my vote to apply pressure. He had fairly ignored it, and since Muttly revealed his breadcrumb, there was no way to get an acceptable answer that wasn't soaked in Wine.

The quote for those who care.

My view of the whole thing is simple. If you make a post like that where you say that you're against a lynch and believe that something like that was based on information, which he implied, without elaborating further with anything, you should expect to be called out on it and have someone expecting information. The town needs information in order to work, and I think we've been very lacking in that regard.

So you're saying I have to extrapolate from the fact you are waiting for Baron, that I should then wait again for nmillar to respond......I'll repeat again, at that point we didnt know nmillar was beurocrat.

NOT at the time - no! I was the first to suspect Muttly - I was with Baron all the way through that argument. I had no reason at that time to believe Muttly had any outside info on Baron, which is why I attacked him again. It only became a no-brainer AFTER Red claimed.

Reason 2 and 3 are not unconnected at all - you call me for staying on my target (Muttly) between days, then you call me for switching. You can't have it both ways. I really do think you are trying to create a case out of nothing itai.

As for trying to find someone to lynch / claim - claim , no. Lynch - yup, I'm trying to find scum to lynch....I'm not a fan of autoclaiming at l-1, l-2 whatever. Should only be a last resort. And I could throw that accusation straight back in your face - what was it now?....#779 - 'In that case I think we have enough willing to vote for Rob - Muttly, Joe, TB, Vitek and me'

I think people can make up their own mind who is pushing hardest for a lynch....

Yes, I expected everyone to wait. Plus, I believe everyone voting for Baron expected this as well because not one of them removed his vote.

Why was Muttly your main suspect on the start of the day (D3)? If you can give a reason other than he pushed for Baron than I am willing to remove this accusation.

Reason number 2 sum up: Muttly pushed Baron lynch -> You agree with Muttly and vote for Baron -> You attack Muttly for pushing Baron.
Reason number 3 sum up: Throwing your vote around on the most likely mis-lynch to gain a claim/mis-lynch.

@ Peanut, please could you provide Town/Scum list?

And while we are at it everyone else too. :-) Thank you.

Who's up for a mass claim?

I am not.

Why the sudden change of heart?

Because I am trying to work out something and I thought this could help me. It could help all of us as we seem to be a bit stuck.

It's also later than before and I believe later on they may be more helpful. But mostly yes, I change my opinions as it currently fits me. :-)

Since you asked so nicely, pal.

JoeSapphire - An engima. Early in the game I was convinced he was town, not as sure anymore due to his eccentric posts lately.

Pazzer - Worries me. Still voting muttly I see.

Muttly13 - Suspected him a lot, but his claim makes sense among my crazy theories.

Robbeasy - Suspected him as a potential third if Muttly turned out scum. Still not entirely convinced he's town, but his latest actions make sense to me. If he was trying for a mislynch, why is he staying on TB when he could build an easy case on someone else?

Twilightbard - Unconvincing claim in my eyes. Sort of exhibiting Baronesque behaviour. I'm sticking with it.

Itai.sharim - I was pretty convinced he was the second of 3 scum alongside muttly, but his latest argument with Robbeasy really set off alarm bells. Lots of logical fallacies and weird behaviour. No idea what is end game is.

Vitek - I'm inclined to believe Muttly's read on you because it fits with my reads so far.

Peanut Brittle - Has a very attractive jawline.

Stuart9001 - I have nothing on him.


Scum suspects (in order)
Twilightbard
itai

Neutral on (in order from leaning scum to leaning town - basically any of these would fit my theoretical structure)
Pazzer
stuart
Robbeasy
Joe

Likely town (like I said, Muttly's claim makes sense to me)
Vitek
Muttly


Not really sure how to respond to your other interesting observation. I've just been voting for people as I suspect them, and I think I've done a pretty good job of justifying my votes so far. Maybe I'm just gullible, or a bad player.

Thanks Peanut.

What do you mean by stuart reads? That you have no reads on him, right? Or is it you have nothing incriminating on him so he is town?

Nothing on him at all. I did think he was town for a while, but I don't know if I'm comfortable sticking with that read at this point cause it's been a while since he's done anything to reconfirm that.

Well, here's where I stand as of right now. I want to reread, but it seems a bit late to find anything to really build a case against.

Penut: Seemed pretty ready to jump on me before Muttly claimed. The vote seemed very quick and still feels like it's lacking anything behind it. Also seemed like he was transferring suspicion of Orryyrro to me very quickly. I think Scum looking for a quick lynch.

Robb: I find the point of calling me out on my post to itai to be odd, and not in a good way, although I've already explained this one. Jumping on the wagon like he did does strike me as a bit odd though.

Muttly: Well, due to his claim, which I believe, I think the answer here is obvious, I believe he's town.

Vitek: I can't really pin down a solid read. The discussion of the flavor I gave could work to either side's favor, but something makes me wanna lean town.

Stuart: Feels very quiet, no real read here, which makes me very nervous.

Joe: Having trouble getting a read here too, not too many posts but I haven't seen strong reads.

Pazzer: No strong reads, again, I'm extremely nervous here.

And last but not least, Itai: Something about itai seems really off to me. There's not a lot to his posts, there are no strong reads or explinations, and there's a lack of voting that just, bothers me.

I think overall though we have a lot of people who are playing their cards close to their chest and refusing to try to build cases. I guess the whole thing bothers me.