filler post for t'Baron

Thanks Rob :) Continue on:

Yea, I kinda explained it above and I apologize for calling you the hammer (even though it doesn't matter in this case). At that time I thought I was the hammer, then the issue with me not unvoting came up, then you made your post of revote/vote and I then clarified my vote. So when I looked back I remember the confusion I felt, and decided that it was due to you being the last to vote, as I just clarified a vote from earlier - hence I believed you to be the hammer when I wrote it. Agreed, thats not the case, seeing the votecount clearly showing you to have already voted - but yea, in this case nothing can be judged from the hammer vote, other than I was last to vote.

What I mean is that muttly13 is saying that its a contradiction that I hope we'll gain new info from both the night kill and the lynch, hence assuming that a nightkill takes place. My argument is that it almost 100% certain that a night kill takes place after a lynch, and muttly13 stating that I am being prophetic. and making a contradiction makes it sound like he knows something about this nightkill/or that it might not have occurred as I and others believe. Thats the gist of it. Of course, it might just be muttly13 assuming that night-kill is not something that is likely to occur, but I do find it odd and personally I am convinced he is scum due to it. And by the way, if you had taken the full quote, you would see that I don't say anywhere in my post that he is expressively saying that, I am saying it gives me the impression/or that he hints at it without wanting to of course. Meaning that I believe that argument of his to be a slip.

Couldn't help thinking that your asking him to get the movie Avatar. Nah, I know what you mean though, but isn't he the only one without one? If so it doesn't really matter.

Votecount:

2 - Muttly13 (Robbeasy, Red_Baron)
1 - Stuart9001 (Itai.sharim)
1 - Red_Baron (Muttly)

Not voting: Nmillar, Joesapphire, Pazzer, Orryyrro, Vitek, Stuart

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 8am GMT 26 January.

I'm a bit ambivalent towards you at the moment. Much of the feeling of scumminess I had for you came from your siding with Zchinque, much of this went away when you explained your reasons. Now he has flipped town I guess that makes any reasoning along these lines wrong or irrelevant, but it still leaves a nagging feeling. I'd say that if i think you are scum you are at the bottom of my scum list, and on it for historic reasons.

I'm finding that "we" a little wierd though.

What do I think about muttly. I am surprised at him being so defensive of me, but I think it is because he is using it to push his own agenda. and to be honest I'm a little annoyed that he is putting thoughts and ideas I am having out before I do, it's leaving me with little to say.

Who do I think is scum.

I'm finding the thing between Baron and Muttly a little strange.
I think Barons actions are suspect, I can't find the post but I seem to remember he suggested that my thing with crazybear implied I was a bit scummy, and it was all just a diversionary tactic (an idea that seems to have never left him) and I'm finding it to be very like the thing he is having with muttly.

I'm undecided about muttly, I agree with much of what he is saying (maybe because it falls pro-me), except it is so defensive that it could be construed as buddying up, which is the kind of attention I don't need, but then Rob's comments on how it may be a scum ploy sounds plausible too, so I'm a bit stuck on this one.

Though I do hate to bring up the whole lurker thing again, Peanut seems to be lurking heavily, is this scum trying to slip under the radar is a question that is kind of nagging at me.

These are my only scumdar pings at the moment. I kind of switched off completely at the end of day 1 (I didn't think this game would be so exhausting) and I feel haven't got going again yet so I'm a bit short of ideas right now.

That's a bit of a weird question; I don't tend to look for who might be the towniest people - I look for the scummiest, and right now that would be Red_Baron and itai.sharim, so I guess you could say everyone else would be the towniest players.

I MIGHT be unable to post for a couple of days - so don't lynch me for lurking.

Right now Red_Baron's posts seem to twist muttly13 logic in so many ways. Don't have time now to elaborate further.

You appear to have missed a few things, allow me to explain and comment as well.

Just curious, but what historic reason?

Vitek and myself has already explained to someone else who asked that question, that the we Vitek wrote, was referring to him and joe.... take a look at a few posts back and you'll see both mine and Viteks post explaining it.

He is pushing your ideas and thoughts out, and they are those ideas you would have posted yourself..huh? How can he ever knows what your thinking. When I started reading that sentence I thought it would end with you saying the annoyance steamed from him putting the thoughts/ideas out. (-Not sure where he does that, but well whatever). Point being I don't really follow you on this sentence.

Well, if I have any recollection of a post like that it must be from RVS and in any case it has absolutely nothing to do with the case I have against muttly13 nor why I was inquiring about you. For one thing: Crazy is known to be town, so the whole idea if it was ever used would fall flat on its ass. No, my case against muttly13 is due to his extreme way of trying to find a way to place me as the perfect lynch target, while hinting at something thats either a very stupid way of considering a mafia game or shows clear insider knowledge.

Huh? How can muttly13's case against me be buddying up? Pretty sure he is not trying to be friendly with me and he aren't really defending you except for the first post. He is mostly just using the fact that I voted for you again as the igniter for his odd argument. So given the choice you saying about either buddying up or Robs scum plot, your basically saying you don't know which to pick, but your leaning to it being a mafia ploy. And don't worry, if anything I am rather certain that muttly13 has cleaned up off my list, since I can't imagine a mafia using his own buddy like that. And the only reason your still at the bottom of my list (most people in the game remains on my list until confirmed), is your odd posts (like this one).

Its only 19 hours since he wrote last and mentioned troubles in the family.. we have others more silent/equally silent with not much of a reason.

Hehe, well I tend to find energy from these discussions, and the latest one with muttly13 is just so amusing that I am really feeling pumped for the argumentation, but yea that might of course depend entirely on the person and the point of view. Hope you'll enjoy it even more later and be less exhausted.

Filler post for Red_Baron.

Thanks Vitek

Made a typing error in my last post.

The sentence: "And don't worry, if anything I am rather certain that muttly13 has cleaned up off my list, since I can't imagine a mafia using his own buddy like that."

Was supposed to read: And don't worry, if anything I am rather certain that muttly13 has cleaned you off my list, since I can't imagine a mafia using his own buddy like that.

And since some posts ticked in while I was writing before:

Wouldn't mind hearing your reasons as to why you think me and Itai is mafia? As I am at the moment (following Robb's ploy outline), rather convinced that Itai is scum together with muttly13. And it seems so unlike you not to take a clear stand in a case as this one going on. Hope your not too busy.

Great thing to put out there... accusation without any proof (I would however like to see it). And your also the very person muttly13 has so oddly avoided mentioning and if Robbeasy is correct about his ploy idea, would be a buddy of muttly13. But okay to the absence, I just can't help feeling this pop-up accuse/defense disappear tactic suspect. But hey, might be a case of coincidence.

Well, the main thing that stands out with you is your detailed picking apart of people's posts. You have a response to virtually every line of the posts you pick on, and this OTT style makes it seem like you have something to hide. Just my interpretation though, and not enough to warrant a vote at this stage.

Hey I'm just skimming this as I'm not at home.
But there seems to be some misunderstanding.

RedBaron is attributing Stuart's post number 435 to muttly.

What Stuart meant was that "us" in "night-kill might kill one of us as well" could be taken to mean RedBaron and Zchinque. Which is the portent Stuart noticed.
I think he was just making a joke but that's for him to say, not me. I took it as a joke.
Sorry to speak for you Stuart but you had posted since RedBaron had said and hadn't mentioned it.

Now again, I can't imagine someone attributing someone's post to another person and thinking they would get away with it so I reckon it was a mistake on RedBaron's part but perhaps it indicates a sort of desperation? Well whatever. I'll try and write more later today but no promises, sorry.

Stuart - More and more I think that D1 argument was just a squabble between town. But I am in no way declaring him town at this point.

Pazzer - Hasnt posted a whole lot this game. Seems to be his style in general and of course hes a replacement, but this time around I am not seeing occassional posts with good insight like I have in past games. Just questions. Good, bad? Havent decided yet.

Haha, very true. I believe that its something I just do, can't really seem to help it. I guess your seeing it in mafia 9 as well and if you were having a discussion with me it would be the same, assuming I could remember it. I tend to point out every flaw I find or explain any questions that are asked unless I miss them.

In case of what Joe mentions below your post, ehh I am not sure what your talking about.. OHHH Damn, that kinda changes my view of things. I've gotten the idea that it was muttly who wrote that sentence, making it seem to make like he both said I was being prophetic and making a contradiction in the same post, by simply assuming a night kill. That its two people who says it, makes it a lot less like hinting it. Although still I do find it rather obvious why I would assume that town risks losing a member to a nightkill since that seems to be the norm in any mafia game, with some rare exceptions.

But apologizes to muttly13, your hidden knowledge I talked about all of a sudden doesn't seem that suspect anymore. Though I still find it very odd how it can be a contradiction in that post and the thing as a whole still reeks scummy to me. And then stuarts question from before also makes a lot more sense, damn. Thanks a lot for pointing that out joe, could have gone on about that for a while. Thats what I get for not taking the quote from its exact source..Doh. Oh and also notice you already mentioned stuarts name in that connection in post 442.. How the heck did I miss that. Blah, must have been to much into the whole muttly13 case.

At the start of the day I had them both down as potential mafia. Find there exchange today interesting. As Red posted so much i've only skimmed it. So have to do a proper read of that.

And what did you think of jefe before he left us?


And why itai.sharim?

So your whole huge case was built on sentance and when this turned out wrong you no longer thik muttly is so suspicious?



I worte we first but wasn't sure if people will understand who I meant so I added together with Zchinque but didn't realise it will look like there was more of us. Sorry. Should have written just "me and Zchinque". :-)