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frostcircus: I'm not a fan. Such systems tend to punish those with opinions different to the norm.

Agreed. People post minus rep for ridiculous reasons,like responding to a question about whether you liked Descent 1 better or thought it was a better game than Descent 2, just to make something up at random. Basically worthless and especially punishing of anyone with the courage to buck the tide. And those are in short supply anywhere, especially on forums, which tend to set up worship systems in an extremely creepy way over time. There are few forums I've been on that don't become in some sense a sort of truly yecch popularity contest. People create drama even where none exists or is needed.
And frankly some people are just destructive dullards. Check out the reviews on Amazon for confirmation. Many are good, but there are devoted types who will simply negatively rate anyone regardless of the quality of their contribution, simply because they disagree with them. Political books and vendor fanboi situations like camera reviews (Canon afficionados vs. Nikon ones) illustrate how prevalent stupidity and dishonesty are.
I'm in no hurry to include it here because at its very best its worthless. Ideas stand or fall on their own merit. They don't need a popularity contest.
Blarg, I am going to + your post because we agree with each other!
Actually I'm not, I'm going to shut my eyes tight and pretend the system doesn't exist.
Eh, I don't mind it too much. Though yes, it does have the problem that it's easy to go from "good poster/bad poster" to "agrees/disagrees with the forums' common consensus" as the basis for rating posts.
The reputation system make things worse than better. If it is meant to be a way to let the users "rate" the posts, it's an utter failure because a minus or a plus is too much straight to be meaningful enough.
I mean, you rate "minus" this post, but "WHY" you have rated minus? You haven't the ability to refine your motivations, and the post's author will never know how he has collected a minus.
Plus, for me, it's a bit disappointing: since now I've never insulted anyone and I try to be civil and affordable. Not too much, anyway, to not to give a good "go fuck yourselves" to the EA executives because they only deserve this kind of compliment.
I don't die for a more "reputable" rate for my account on the forum, anyway. At the end of the day I don't give a damn because I like more reasoning and arguing than looking at a pitiful little number with a minus or a plus next to it....
Post edited November 03, 2008 by KingofGnG
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Weclock: I think it's fair to say I am probably the most hated poster on these forums, I think I've received more -1 posts than any other poster here. There is severe amounts of abuse on here. Because my posts for the most part are thoughtful, content filled, usually helpful. If they're not helpful, it's because I myself am either misunderstanding something or am trying to get some kind of illumination. I don't down vote peoples posts who don't understand how rest using a pipboy in Fallout 2, when the guide which is readily available could be read just as easy as posting. There are a handful of people on here who do harbor a grudge against me. And bandwagoning is in place as well.
It is a flawed system, but I think it's entirely possible that there is a fix.
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I was going to post something like this thread previously but decided against it, because I felt I would be targeted. I'd like to thank you UK_John for posting this in my stead, regardless if you knew of my intentions or not. The system is flawed, as you say.

I'm trying very hard not to click the "-" sign on your posts, since I'm pretty annoyed that you have the time to lurk the forums so much.
You're a nice person, but it's all about envy for some of us. :D
I don't like the fact that the rep system gets misused by some, to -1 someone just because they disagree with that person. But that's how it is when it's up to the forummembers themselves to "police" the forums. I think it would be much better if the GOG team get some moderators asap and let them handle a penalty system (not necessarily the -1 system). On the other hand, I think we should keep the +1 system, as it can't really be misused and it's actually a nice way to encourage good behaivior on the boards.
Post edited November 03, 2008 by ken007
I think the general consensus we're seeing here is it's too easy of a system to abuse if someone's opinion differs from the norm.
I think my first negative rating was because I posted a thread suggesting to vote for Wasteland on the wishlist and I didn't know there was already a thread about it because search did not turn up anything. In that example the right thing to do was what a friendly member of the community did, and point me to the thread in question.
But I still got a negative rating, and as far as I'm concerned I checked the search option and found nothing, so I did nothing wrong. I highly doubt I'll be able to max my rep because frankly the easiest way to do it is to provide solutions for questions regarding these games, and most of these games I haven't played before.
What I can offer is my honest opinion and I 99% of the time do not flame, so there's that. As far as that will take me in this rep system remains to be seen, though.
Maybe we should vote to remove it? What do you guys think? I don't like the idea of a popularity contest anymore than anyone else here.
-Cym
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I don't really care all that much about the rep system one way or the other, since I mostly ignore it.
On the other hand, i don't like the fact that posts with negative ratings are hidden by default, because it means that many users won't ever get to read some of the posts on the forum.
I think this forum could really do without that kind of censorship, especially since most of the community are mature enough to just ignore trolls and flamers.
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mystral: I don't really care all that much about the rep system one way or the other, since I mostly ignore it.
On the other hand, i don't like the fact that posts with negative ratings are hidden by default, because it means that many users won't ever get to read some of the posts on the forum.
I think this forum could really do without that kind of censorship, especially since most of the community are mature enough to just ignore trolls and flamers.

I totally agree with both your statements here, the rep system is left for those who really care about that stuff. We all know the true "rep" cannot be clicked on someone, it has to be earned!
Defaulting the hiding of negative posts gives a possibility for abusing the rep system.
Edit: it's better to reply in agreement than click the +1 in my opinion, mostly because it makes discussions move forward. Oh! and that +1 on mystral's post isn't mine! =D
Post edited November 03, 2008 by McDondo
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mystral: I don't really care all that much about the rep system one way or the other, since I mostly ignore it.
On the other hand, i don't like the fact that posts with negative ratings are hidden by default, because it means that many users won't ever get to read some of the posts on the forum.
I think this forum could really do without that kind of censorship, especially since most of the community are mature enough to just ignore trolls and flamers.

+1 for reminding me of the auto hiding of negative rated posts. I think this feature should be removed as well.
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mystral: I don't really care all that much about the rep system one way or the other, since I mostly ignore it.
On the other hand, i don't like the fact that posts with negative ratings are hidden by default, because it means that many users won't ever get to read some of the posts on the forum.
I think this forum could really do without that kind of censorship, especially since most of the community are mature enough to just ignore trolls and flamers.
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CymTyr: +1 for reminding me of the auto hiding of negative rated posts. I think this feature should be removed as well.

Ah yes, because an option to hide posts that I find moronic is a bad idea. Face it people, someone who's gotten negative rep has most likely earned it! I personally relish the idea of having the option to hide posts that I find to be wastes of bandwidth, and the rep system allows this.
How on earth can this be a negative thing? If you want to read drivel, just remove one tiny mark in the "hide negative posts" box. The rest of us can happily cruise by the regurgitated drivel without having to deal with that inevitable feeling of "I want my 30 seconds back" every time someone goes retarded on the forums.
And people will. This is the internet, the prowling grounds of trolls and the horrifyingly stupid. I'd rather have the option of not having to read those mind numbingly demented posts they leave behind as steaming piles of... well... I had the mental imagery of a virtual cow lifting it's tail, so you can imagine what I was picturing...
Allright, don't have it as a default setting, but for the sake of Jeebus keep the option there for those of us that's been through one forum too many. I know I'm personally five demented posts away from a shooting spree, and I'd rather postpone that particular event as long as possible.
Of course, some people are going to feel all sad because someone clicked a minus sign. We can't have that, can we? Not on the internet! Seriously people, if the rep system was so bad, it wouldn't have been implemented on so many community sites. Hell, this one is far more forgiving than most such systems I've seen. And to those that "doesn't really care about it", why are you even posting about it?
Edit: Time to add a [i] BB-Code soon?
Post edited November 03, 2008 by Deviate
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Deviate: Ah yes, because an option to hide posts that I find moronic is a bad idea. Face it people, someone who's gotten negative rep has most likely earned it!

So explain me this: why in the hell this post has been minused?!? Because I've expressed my opinion on the sad state of things (from a political, civil, judiciary, moral, economical standpoint) in Italy? WTF? I can't express my opinions because this is moronic for you or some one else? Oh please, c'mon, you'd deserve a -10 minus, this is censorship apology :-P
The trolls usually need to be fed, if you let them starve you won't need some crappy system like this "reputation" thingy whose only utility is... well, dunno what is its utility up to now :-P
Post edited November 03, 2008 by KingofGnG
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Deviate: Ah yes, because an option to hide posts that I find moronic is a bad idea..

For the most part, your post is actually quite agreeable and I find nothing wrong with it. The Rep system works absolutely perfectly, in theory.
The problem we're facing is those same idiots who post mindless drivel are -1'ing posts that either attempt to correct, probe into the discussion, or pose a viewpoint opposite to the reader. Like stated earlier, someone received a -1 for saying they enjoyed a game! (although, to be honest I would probably -1 anyone who said any Final Fantasy was the best RPG ever, because usually, in those situations, they haven't played every RPG..) The system which, as you so stated works absolutely fantastically in theory, is being abused. It's been suspected that people have made multiple accounts to downvote someone, for having a question, or an opinion, and not being satisfied with an answer.
Perhaps with the proposed fix of removing a -1 option, and perhaps making it so you have to have at least some rep to give a +1, the situation might be less abuseable. I myself am probably the most downvoted person here, simply because I either A.) Have the highest Rep already, or B.) have ticked off a handful of people. Infact, so many people have taken notice of me, I've been directly mentioned by name in a weekly update. Now I do consider myself to be (most of the time) a polite, well thought out poster of these forums, but the way it appears due to my controversy and fame, that if I post an answer, there couldn't be any other answer, or that because of my rep, I'm like the final word or something, I by no means am the final word on anything. Anyway +1 to you sir
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Deviate: Ah yes, because an option to hide posts that I find moronic is a bad idea. Face it people, someone who's gotten negative rep has most likely earned it!
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KingofGnG: So explain me this: why in the heckertonthis post has been minused?!? Because I've expressed my opinion on the sad state of things (from a political, civil, judiciary, moral, economical standpoint) in Italy? WTF? I can't express my opinions because this is moronic for you or some one else? Oh please, c'mon, you'd deserve a -10 minus, this is censorship apology :-P
The trolls usually need to be fed, if you let them starve you won't need some crappy system like this "reputation" thingy whose only utility is... well, dunno what is its utility up to now :-P

Because of lack of a PM, I am forced to remind you that swearing is not allowed on these boards (I've seen GOG.com staffers get upset by it, and I urge you to edit your post).
Post edited November 03, 2008 by Weclock
You didn't get -2 rep from one click on your post. Takes a few to take you down even one rep. And I hardly said you can't express your opinions. I do it all the time, and I do it loudly from the nearest rooftop if necessary. But I am prepared for the fact that some people won't like it and either ignores me or takes action against me.
Making a fuzz over a - or two is nothing more than whining about not having a cup to protect your e-peen. Guess what? This isn't censorship. It's the natural extension of Free Speech. Free Speech was never a term that said "You can say whatever you want and get away with it". It says "You can say whatever you want and take the consequences of it."
Yelling Censorship and proclaiming Free Speech is the first tool in the box from those who are terrified of being ignored by the people who either don't care or disagree.
Edit: New post after the one I responded to.
Yes, there's things that can be fixed. I do agree that there should be a requirement before getting to the stage where the rating buttons are visible. Let's say +5 Rep or something to that effect.
Any system can be abused, but I am far more concerned with the consequences of having no system in place to protect my browsing experience than with the very few consequences of one being abused a bit. Because frankly, the cases of abuse are probably going to dwindle into nothing. That kind of person rarely bother to stick around such communities for long anyway.
Post edited November 03, 2008 by Deviate
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Deviate: You didn't get -2 rep from one click on your post. Takes a few to take you down even one rep.

Yes, the other ones was because I've said that Colin McRae Rally 2005 is the worst release ever of GOG.com because I think GOG should focus more on "old" games, not yesterday games. A pretty impressive and unbearable standpoint, it deserved -10 and so on, bravo!
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Deviate: And I hardly said you can't express your opinions. I do it all the time, and I do it loudly from the nearest rooftop if necessary. But I am prepared for the fact that some people won't like it and either ignores me or takes action against me.
Making a fuzz over a - or two is nothing more than whining about not having a cup to protect your e-peen. Guess what? This isn't censorship. It's the natural extension of Free Speech. Free Speech was never a term that said "You can say whatever you want and get away with it". It says "You can say whatever you want and take the consequences of it."
Yelling Censorship and proclaiming Free Speech is the first tool in the box from those who are terrified of being ignored by the people who either don't care or disagree.

Whining about? Oh no, you have misunderstood: I don't give a damn and surely I won't tear apart my hairs for it :-D
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Deviate: Yelling Censorship and proclaiming Free Speech

Again, you're wrong and trying to speak for myself and not simply for yourself: I've never talked about "Free speech", indeed, and I don't think the "reps" system is about that kind of thing. The "Censorship" is in regard of that post alone, not in the whole.
Post edited November 03, 2008 by KingofGnG