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Paul_cz: It is not really a pilot film though. It has nothing to do with Joss Whedon and he distanced himself from it.The show is infinitely better.
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Fenixp: I still can't digest 'better' and any reference to 'buffy' in a one sentence. I shall see...
Anyway, started watching Firefly again. Kaylee is as cute as ever, CGI looks shiny, captain's funny... therefore, it's as good as it was the last time. Gotta love Firefly...

Ah yes, Kaylee was so very cute :)
Though actually one of my favorite characters has to be Jane. I despised him initially, but after "Janestown" he turned out to be totally awesome (and an idiot).
The shows entire concept was "Cowboy Bebop, in live action"
Post edited January 24, 2010 by SirEnity
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SirEnity: The shows entire concept was "Cowboy Bebop, in live action"

That makes me want to see it, though I'll surely be disappointed, again. Most tv shows today disappoint me, even if I haven't actually had any hopes or even knowing what the concept was.
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SirEnity: The shows entire concept was "Cowboy Bebop, in live action"
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Miaghstir: That makes me want to see it, though I'll surely be disappointed, again. Most tv shows today disappoint me, even if I haven't actually had any hopes or even knowing what the concept was.

It's not *really* Cowboy Bebop. It lacks the elegance/nonchalance of Cowboy Bebop's storytelling. Still, the comparison is somewhat valid. The main concept for firefly was 'space western'.
I especially liked the complete absence of the "prime directive" . . . like when the guy is kicked into the engine or when he shots the horse to get a better shot at the bad guy . . . =)
http://www.cracked.com/article/166_5-reasons-it-sucks-being-joss-whedon-fan/
See points 3, 2, and 1 to see why I hate Joss Whedon.
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Paul_cz: Ah yes, Kaylee was so very cute :)
Though actually one of my favorite characters has to be Jane. I despised him initially, but after "Janestown" he turned out to be totally awesome (and an idiot).

Ha ha. +1
Kaylee and Jane were my favorites.
Loved the TV series the best, but the movie was pretty good, too, all things considered.
A great cast and good work while it lasted. Networks and Studios are so stupid.
Say what you will, Joss Whedon has an eye for talent.
(I was a big Buffy and Angel fan, too. There are some simply classic episodes in each.)
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Krypsyn: I think she took Morgan Webb's place as babe of the intarwebz. If you haven't checked out her webisode series 'The Guild', I highly suggest checking it out. It is where Joss Whedon got the idea to make "Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog" (thus casting Felicia).
http://www.watchtheguild.com/

I play WoW. Trust me. I'm well familiar with The Guild. :)
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LordCinnamon: Hmm, I don't know. She has something cute, I suppose. But I don't really get all the worship she receives.

It's really the girl-next-door charm that I think is cute.
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TheCheese33: http://www.cracked.com/article/166_5-reasons-it-sucks-being-joss-whedon-fan/
See points 3, 2, and 1 to see why I hate Joss Whedon.

Eh, I like Whedon, but if anything, it's Point 5 that really bugs me about him. I'm more than aware the man is fallible, and I'm not willing to defend him to the death as a result. He really needs to stop killing cool characters. That being said, I'd argue he has the ability to create some really cool characters, which is more than a lot of people can do to begin with. Which is why I defend him at all. For all his faults, the man can write some fun dialogue, and craft some very amusing characters.
Post edited January 24, 2010 by AlphaMonkey
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Fenixp: Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me...
I have to watch it again.

^this made me sad, it was such a great show.
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LordCinnamon: It's not *really* Cowboy Bebop. It lacks the elegance/nonchalance of Cowboy Bebop's storytelling. Still, the comparison is somewhat valid. The main concept for firefly was 'space western'.

Never seen a blue sky
Yeah I can feel it reaching out
And moving closer
There's something about blue
Asked myself what it's all for
You know the funny thing about it
I couldn't answer
No I couldn't answer
Things have turned a deeper shade of blue
And images that might be real
May be illusion
Keep flashing off and on
Free
Wanna be free
Gonna be free
And move among the stars
You know they really aren't so far
Feels so free
Gotta know free
Please
Don't wake me from the dream
It's really everything it seemed
I'm so free
No black and white in the blue
Everything is clearer now
Life is just a dream you know
That's never ending
I'm ascending
Damn you people, I'll have exam tomorrow, I can't watch ALL my favorite shows again!
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Paul_cz: I still can't digest 'better' and any reference to 'buffy' in a one sentence. I shall see...
Anyway, started watching Firefly again. Kaylee is as cute as ever, CGI looks shiny, captain's funny... therefore, it's as good as it was the last time. Gotta love Firefly...
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Fenixp: Hey, we agree about Firefly so chances are you will see the error of your ways and learn to appreciate Buffy as well. As I said, I was in the same position, but damn if I don't love it now..
Post edited January 25, 2010 by Paul_cz
Count me in as a browncoat too ! I really loved this show, and, to a lesser extent, the movie. Watched them both again like 2 months ago.
Firefly did not have the epic scale of Babylon 5, nor the photography and musical score of Battlestar Galactica. Yet, there was really something about it. The cast is great, some dialogs are hilarious, and the whole western-in-space thing works surprisingly well.
Maybe it is almost a good thing that this show ended prematurely. I mean, I am not sure the magic would have lasted for many seasons. Something like 2 seasons with a good, clear ending would have been perfect. Well, 13 episodes and the movie will just have to do.
I totally agree with several comments above. Kaylee is really cute, and Jane is an awesome character, especially in the episodes following Janestown. And my favorite episode is Out of Gas, this episode is just amazing.
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Fenixp: Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me...
I have to watch it again.
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Salsa_Shark: ^this made me sad, it was such a great show.

Do you know this version of the intro song?
I love the down-to-earth-ness of Firefly. No aliens, no magic technology. Just a beat up old spaceship and a couple of strong characters.
I like some episodes better than others, but my personal favorite episode is the truly hilarious "Our Mrs. Reynolds".

That. Is. Fantastic.
I like Firefly a lot. It certainly helped that the Southern accents of the cast were above average for actors.
Whedon does take the opportunity to get in a few licks at religion, even despite the presence of the Shepherd. The Buddhist core worlds are corrupt and dehumanized. The frontiers are full of wacko Christians. I often don't know whether to be relieved or irritated that every time someone seems to be quoting from the Bible, the quote is completely fabricated.
But on the whole, I thought the show was great. One thing that made me sorry the show was cut short was the resolution of the reaver plotline in the movie. Given all the beliefs people had about reavers at the beginning of the show, it would have been interesting to see that develop more slowly.
And yes, Out of Gas is an amazing episode. Heart of Gold is terrible. It's pretty clear why the network didn't run that one. It contains all of Wheddon's worst tendencies in one episode.