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General discussion (archive)Far Cry 2 with same DRM as Spore(71 posts)(71 posts)
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Posted October 18, 2008
Sahib: Absolutely true, on both counts.
Posted October 18, 2008
Guess I will need to be more careful about what I buy through Steam then. I don't own any of those games thankfully. I refuse to support any game that has a install limit of any kind.
Sahib: So very true. Last I read Spore was the most pirated game of all time. At least so far.
Posted October 18, 2008
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antibonk: Guess I will need to be more careful about what I buy through Steam then. I don't own any of those games thankfully. I refuse to support any game that has a install limit of any kind.
Sahib: So very true. Last I read Spore was the most pirated game of all time. At least so far.

If early figures are right it seems that Spore was downloaded illegally more than it was bought. Congratulations EA, you've stopped piracy with this one, and managed not to piss off your customers..
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Post edited October 18, 2008 by sahib
Posted October 18, 2008
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Cabal: Sadly the Steam version also includes the extra DRM, much like Bioshock, Crysis Warhead, and STALKER Clear Skies before it.
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antibonk: Why would the Steam version of Far Cry 2 have this DRM, when Steam itself is a form of DRM. (One of the few kinds that I think is ok)
Does that mean your limited with the amount of installs of it via Steam? That was one of the pluses I had for getting games off of Steam is the ability to download and install my games as much as I want off of it.

I bought Company of Heroes which requires you to make an account that gets locked to that install. As soon as you install it again, you have to transfer that account over in order to play most of the game. What I did not know beforehand was that you can only do this a limited number of times and I now have it sitting, completely useless, in my uninstalled games list.
Posted October 20, 2008
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Optimaximal: Seriously people, do some research. Every single piece of software that comes with on-disc copy protection, be it any version of SafeDisc, SecuROM, StarForce, TAGES, FADE or LaserLok, installs drivers too your machine - it couldn't function without it.

Perhaos you should do some reseacrh as well. Indeed they install drivers. But not all of them have Ring0 access and not all of them leave the drivers on your system after you uninstall the software in which they were included.
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Optimaximal: Do the math and YES, vote with your wallet, but don't reject DRM outright since its here too stay. You might as well just stop gaming all together.

It's only here to stay if people accept it. If you just throw up your hands and say "Well, it's here for good and it's not going to change" then that's exactly what will happen. If you fight it and refuse to buy products that use it, then you can be damned sure when a company sees it's affecting the bottom line that they'll drop it.
Posted October 20, 2008
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Optimaximal: Do the math and YES, vote with your wallet, but don't reject DRM outright since its here too stay. You might as well just stop gaming all together.
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Coelocanth: It's only here to stay if people accept it. If you just throw up your hands and say "Well, it's here for good and it's not going to change" then that's exactly what will happen. If you fight it and refuse to buy products that use it, then you can be damned sure when a company sees it's affecting the bottom line that they'll drop it.

Here, here Coelocanth!!
Also DO show your support to companies that treat us as customers instead of pirates. Stardock is a prime example, and there are others. Be informed and help inform your friends who game or MIGHT game. Comment on forums, send emails and let developers know what you think. Sometimes I get snickered at when I get on my soapbox, but it is true. If we vote with our wallets, ALL of us, we can change things.
Posted October 20, 2008
I dunno, I don't really mind DRM at all. I think a lot of gamers install a game, play it for a while, beat it and then shelve it, either uninstalling or leaving on the desktop. I know there are a vocal group who seem to constantly install and uninstall, its not an issue. I also don"t personalize DRM. DRM exists because they are trying to protect their investment, regardless of whether or not it works.
So does this stink...? Certainly, but I still bought the game via direct 2 drive and will play it, beat it and uninstall it and move on without any bad thoughts.
Posted October 20, 2008
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Hengst2404: I dunno, I don't really mind DRM at all. I think a lot of gamers install a game, play it for a while, beat it and then shelve it, either uninstalling or leaving on the desktop. I know there are a vocal group who seem to constantly install and uninstall, its not an issue. I also don"t personalize DRM. DRM exists because they are trying to protect their investment, regardless of whether or not it works.
So does this stink...? Certainly, but I still bought the game via direct 2 drive and will play it, beat it and uninstall it and move on without any bad thoughts.

Until the DRM malware permanently installed on your computer decides that you no longer have the right to use anti-virus software. Or to start your operating system at all. Trust me - been there, seen it. Sooner or later DRM is gonna bite your ass and your attitude will change.
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Posted October 20, 2008
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Hengst2404: I dunno, I don't really mind DRM at all. I think a lot of gamers install a game, play it for a while, beat it and then shelve it, either uninstalling or leaving on the desktop. I know there are a vocal group who seem to constantly install and uninstall, its not an issue. I also don"t personalize DRM. DRM exists because they are trying to protect their investment, regardless of whether or not it works.
So does this stink...? Certainly, but I still bought the game via direct 2 drive and will play it, beat it and uninstall it and move on without any bad thoughts.
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sahib: Until the DRM malware permanently installed on your computer decides that you no longer have the right to use anti-virus software. Or to start your operating system at all. Trust me - been there, seen it. Sooner or later DRM is gonna bite your ass and your attitude will change.

I am less concerned about that, as one, I have never had this issue and secondly, I always back my stuff up and as a Vista user, starting over on a new hard drive is never entirely a bad thing.
Still I take your point and certainly if I had ever had DRM damage my pc I would sing a different tune.
Posted October 20, 2008
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SkullCowboy: Here, here Coelocanth!!
Also DO show your support to companies that treat us as customers instead of pirates. Stardock is a prime example, and there are others. Be informed and help inform your friends who game or MIGHT game. Comment on forums, send emails and let developers know what you think. Sometimes I get snickered at when I get on my soapbox, but it is true. If we vote with our wallets, ALL of us, we can change things.

Heh, Yep. I bought Sins of a Solar Empire when it was released, and went on to grab Gal Civ 2 and the two expansions. I've also been very vocal on a number of boards about the issue and have been informing any of my gaming friends that will listen.
Posted October 20, 2008
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MinigunFiend: If DRM is so illegal, how come EA, Ubisoft and others haven't had their asses handed to them in court yet?
I'm not pro-DRM by any stretch of the imagination, I'm just asking.

Sony did actually lose a lawsuit about DRM (specifically a rootkit) on Music CD's. So there is some precedent for EA to lose the two lawsuits filed against them.
That said, I just simply don't buy any software that contains DRM, including product activation. The video card manufacturers have lost a sale as well, since I haven't upgraded my video card to play newer games.
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