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Posted June 03, 2011
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korniatm: Pretend it is 2005:

I swear to god, I don't think you actually understand how companies operate or what kind of deal EA and Bioware have. You seem to think "EA DOES BAD THINGS THEREFORE RANDOM BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN" without actually bothering to consider how and why these things actually occurred in the past.

I'm not dismissing your claims because I like EA. I'm dismissing your claims because they're based out of completely irrational fears rather than having any actual basis in business reality. They're a company with bad business practices, not a bogeyman with a Bioware-shaped voodoo doll.

See my point?
Yes. I see you don't understand the difference between signing an agreement and buying a company (like they bought Bioware)
And what's wrong with Mass Effect? :-)
Post edited June 03, 2011 by keeveek
Posted June 03, 2011
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korniatm: Pretend it is 2005:

I swear to god, I don't think you actually understand how companies operate or what kind of deal EA and Bioware have. You seem to think "EA DOES BAD THINGS THEREFORE RANDOM BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN" without actually bothering to consider how and why these things actually occurred in the past.

I'm not dismissing your claims because I like EA. I'm dismissing your claims because they're based out of completely irrational fears rather than having any actual basis in business reality. They're a company with bad business practices, not a bogeyman with a Bioware-shaped voodoo doll.

See my point?
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keeveek: Yes. I see you don't understand the difference between signing an agreement and buying a company (like they bought Bioware)
And what's wrong with Mass Effect? :-)
Nothing, Mass Effect was great in my opinion but it was also the turning point (I would narrow it down to that second piece of Mass Effect DLC, the combat chamber thing, as the very moment when money became more important than the quality of the experience) . Every game since then been good to decent but I have felt nickel and dimed by every single one.

As far as I buyout goes; I believe that EA and Bioware ended up in bed together though a series of holding company mergers not a buyout. Correct me if I am wrong though...
Posted June 03, 2011
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keeveek: So, you played for hundreds of hours and I may tell you - you haven't seen even HALF of the content of Diablo 2 playing single. It's not about e-peen, it's about game content. Not only exclusive for multiplayer, like Uber-Tristram etc. but many items appear only in the multiplayer. And many items have bigger chance of appearing in the multiplayer when playing with 8 people. It's just it.

Playing offline just strips you out of lots of fun. And, if you not know it, you don't have to play with other people on Bnet. Just create the game with a password, and you will not miss any content...
Oh I'm well aware of that. However, playing that way is still just single player. And I don't know, maybe I'm a bit strange in that department, but with 8 friends around we always knew something better to do then playing games.
Posted June 03, 2011
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orcishgamer: EA is providing some of their most famous, most popular, and most formative (to the industry) games to which they now own the rights (though maybe they shouldn't, that's another debate); they're doing it DRM free and at a low, GOG mandated price (DK, one of the most famous games of all time, the reason people still listen to Molyneux, is only 6 bucks - the lower price) and you're complaining.

GOG signed a publisher folks said was impossible to sign... and your complaining.

Those are my thoughts.
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jepsen1977: I think you are missing the point of the OP - he didn't complain, he is just worried that when you are selling your soul to the devil that the devil sooner or later will come to collect - no matter how good the deal may seem at the moment. EA is the devil and we will have to see in the coming years how much of their soul GoG have sold. If all this deal means is that we can play old EA games then that's fine but maybe we will see a slide towards more expensive games like 19.99, 29.99 or 39.99 and maybe EA will tie our GoG games to their EA Accounts or maybe we will see a mild form of DRM on some of our GoG games like 5 install limits and then 3 years from now when GoG has gotten "fat" EA will purchase GoG for 3 bill dollars and will then put DRM on ALL GoG games.
Yes I'm exaggerating here but I think it may be along these lines that the OP is concerned. I personally don't think it will be a problem as long as we are talking about very old games but not all games on GoG are very old and I think we will see lines get blurred in the future. But I could be wrong.
You're making phantoms out of nothing. GOG didn't sell their soul when they signed Activision and they didn't do it for EA either. Nearly everyone crying about "how evil EA is" is happily playing on their Steam and Battle.net accounts. They can't see the forest for the trees, do they really think EA managed anything half so intrusive yet?
Posted June 03, 2011
It's sad the way this thread has gone. After years of people posting "where is LBA, where is Dungeon Keeper, etc." and getting a response "It's EA, it will never happen" (I admit to being one who said that), we finally have EAs back catalogue being opened up to GOG.

A joyous day? It would seem not, now it's "Why have you sold out GOG?". It's pathetic, the old games are mostly owned by EA. They are the big fish, and this back catalogue makes GOG closer to being "the" source for old games. For all the "I want x on GOG, sorry it's EA" threads, not once did I see "Yeah, well I hope they never come here" as a response.

Hypocrasy. Simply that.
Posted June 03, 2011
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korniatm: Pretend it is 2005:

I swear to god, I don't think you actually understand how companies operate or what kind of deal EA and Bioware have. You seem to think "EA DOES BAD THINGS THEREFORE RANDOM BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN" without actually bothering to consider how and why these things actually occurred in the past.

I'm not dismissing your claims because I like EA. I'm dismissing your claims because they're based out of completely irrational fears rather than having any actual basis in business reality. They're a company with bad business practices, not a bogeyman with a Bioware-shaped voodoo doll.

See my point?
Yes. Your point is that you still don't understand how contracts work, or that company mergers have absolutely nothing to do with sales agreements.

First, EA had nothing to do with Bioware in 2005. That was a separate series of mergers. EA bought THAT company in 2007, two years later.

Once again, you know that you're scared something will happen, but you have absolutely no idea of what happened last time, or how it could possibly happen this time. GOG has not merged with anyone and their parent company is not up for sale.

How are the two situations related at all? You've yet to say how this would occur outside of EA RUINED BIOWARE. It's like refusing to buy a Sony CD player because of the recent PSN security debacle. Yes, that was a terrible thing, but CD players don't gather any personal information so the concern makes no sense. Likewise, yes EA did bad things with Bioware, but their deal with GOG is a distribution deal and gives them absolutely no ownership, or partnership, with GOG or their parent company so your concern makes no sense.






And just as an addendum, Bioware wasn't exactly untouchable before EA got to them. Dragon Age II may be awful, but so were Jade Empire and the original Neverwinter Nights campaign.
Post edited June 03, 2011 by sethsez
Posted June 03, 2011
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korniatm: ...
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sethsez: And just as an addendum, Bioware wasn't exactly untouchable before EA got to them. Dragon Age II may be awful, but so were Jade Empire and the original Neverwinter Nights campaign.
To add to your points, Bioware started their stupid MMO development on their own, afaik. They've always been fairly autonomous. Everyone needs to face the following fact: DA2 sucked because Laidlaw is a tool and the people who made Bioware great are leaving. It's the same reason Mythic started to fold, the Mythic people sucked, EA was just feeding cash to keep WAR alive.

It happens to a lot of game companies. I seriously don't know what universe people live in to think that the Blizzard that gave them Diablo 2 and SC is anything remotely like the one that's pumping out SC2.
Post edited June 03, 2011 by orcishgamer
Posted June 03, 2011
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orcishgamer: It's the same reason Mythic started to fold, the Mythic people sucked, EA was just feeding cash to keep WAR alive.
I agree with everything you said, except this one. Mythic blowed WAR the same way they did with DAoC - not having a freaking clue about balancing characters / realms.
Posted June 03, 2011
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orcishgamer: It's the same reason Mythic started to fold, the Mythic people sucked, EA was just feeding cash to keep WAR alive.
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Siannah: I agree with everything you said, except this one. Mythic blowed WAR the same way they did with DAoC - not having a freaking clue about balancing characters / realms.
Right, but that is Mythic's fault, not EA's, and that's really my point.
Posted June 04, 2011
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korniatm: As far as I buyout goes; I believe that EA and Bioware ended up in bed together though a series of holding company mergers not a buyout. Correct me if I am wrong though...
EA Bought Bioware/Pandemic for 860 M dollars.
Posted June 04, 2011
To OP: do you have the same concerns for your local gamestores when you see they sell EA games?

That's how silly this concern is.
Posted June 04, 2011
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StarEye: To OP: do you have the same concerns for your local gamestores when you see they sell EA games?

That's how silly this concern is.
And THIS is the post of reason.
Posted June 04, 2011
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sethsez: And just as an addendum, Bioware wasn't exactly untouchable before EA got to them. Dragon Age II may be awful, but so were Jade Empire and the original Neverwinter Nights campaign.
KotOR, Jade Empire and then Mass Effect showed a clear veer toward cinematic console RPGs way before EA bought them. EA really had nothing to do with that. In fact if EA did not buy them it is likely that Bioware would have kept working with Microsoft Game Studious, or even be bought out by them instead. EA is likely the reason we got Mass Effect on the PC, and Mass Effect 2 as well maybe.

In short I doubt EA changed Bioware's focus. The worst thing EA did to them is probably requiring they work on quicker releases.
Posted June 04, 2011
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wpegg: It's sad the way this thread has gone. After years of people posting "where is LBA, where is Dungeon Keeper, etc." and getting a response "It's EA, it will never happen" (I admit to being one who said that), we finally have EAs back catalogue being opened up to GOG.

A joyous day? It would seem not, now it's "Why have you sold out GOG?". It's pathetic, the old games are mostly owned by EA. They are the big fish, and this back catalogue makes GOG closer to being "the" source for old games. For all the "I want x on GOG, sorry it's EA" threads, not once did I see "Yeah, well I hope they never come here" as a response.

Hypocrasy. Simply that.
I believe you are ignoring the first line of the first OP,it reads "I know EA is responsible for bringing great gaming experiences to millions of people"
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StarEye: To OP: do you have the same concerns for your local gamestores when you see they sell EA games?

That's how silly this concern is.
No but that is partially my point EA is everywhere already, why did they have to come here also?

What I do not think will happen:

EA will buy GOG and force them to increase the price and add DRM
CDProject will be bought by EA and start pumping out crappy games
EA will take over the north hemisphere and enslave half the world population

What WILL happen:

EA will use their new publishing agreement with GOG to go over everything GOG does with a fine tooth comb.
EA will go as far into GOG's operation as they can get to find out how their marketing and communities work.
EA will steal all of GOG ideas and improve them by throwing ten times as much money at "EA Origin" as GOG could possibly spend.

End of story
Post edited June 04, 2011 by korniatm
Posted June 04, 2011
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