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Proposal: Reference material for those who have no idea what is going on right now. Myself included.
Novotnus: No, learn by practice. <evil laughter>

PROPOSAL: 51% majority = dogma.
Novotnus: Yes.

Dogma: Xyem lists all players in the OP, and labels inactive/defeated players.
Novotnus: Yes

Dogma: xyem keeps relevant info for the game (ex. - the tally of votes for dogmas)in the OP, and updates it as it progresses.
Novotnus: Yes

Dogma: only xyem and players are allowed to post in the thread.
Novotnus: No, in the name of Moloch!

Dogma: All communication between players can only be text or images
Novotnus: Yes

Dogma: xyem reveals the identities and quantities of the game code(s) in the OP
Novotnus: Abstain

Dogma - All posts in the thread must rhyme, each and every freaking time.
Novotnus:
While this idea really sounds like shit,
I'll give it a 'yes', oh I will indeed.

[proposal] Players cannot be voted to be removed from the game.
Novotnus: Yes, let's say.

[proposal] Any dogma can be revised or removed if at least the same % is achieved as when the dogma was established.
Novotnus: No, why? Just make a counter-dogma to reverse it and 51% is enough to pass it if Blue's dogma is passed.
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Novotnus: [proposal] Any dogma can be revised or removed if at least the same % is achieved as when the dogma was established.
Novotnus: No, why? Just make a counter-dogma to reverse it and 51% is enough to pass it if Blue's dogma is passed.
That is a good point, but just to make sure I understand the possibly implicit rules: if two dogmas contradict each other, then is the newer one always the effective one?
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dizcology: That is a good point, but just to make sure I understand the possibly implicit rules: if two dogmas contradict each other, then is the newer one always the effective one?
Not really :) But I can propose a dogma:
"Every player has to attach his or here picture every time he or she proposes a dogma"
It's passed, but you don't like it, you propose:
"Novotnus' stupid dogma is wrong and we don't follow it any more".
If your dogma is passed, mine is taken back.
Post edited June 18, 2013 by Novotnus
PROPOSAL: 51% majority = dogma.
No

[proposal] Players cannot be voted to be removed from the game.
Yes

[proposal] Any dogma can be revised or removed if at least the same % is achieved as when the dogma was established.
No.
same reasons as Novotnus said. wed be better incorporating mutable and immutable rules or just re-voting to change things.

Dogma - All posts in the thread must rhyme, each and every freaking time.
No,
not as a dogma but were i to see it occur often , my cap would be doffed then

Proposal: Reference material for those who have no idea what is going on right now. Myself included.
No,
not a dogma. i gave youse those links.
is QC a player in this current dogma? >_<
what is our actual player # count?

FINALLY the sale showed up ! ^_^
Post edited June 18, 2013 by ErekoseDM
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dizcology: That is a good point, but just to make sure I understand the possibly implicit rules: if two dogmas contradict each other, then is the newer one always the effective one?
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Novotnus: Not really :) But I can propose a dogma:
"Every player has to attach his or here picture every time he or she proposes a dogma"
It's passed, but you don't like it, you propose:
"Novotnus' stupid dogma is wrong and we don't follow it any more".
If your dogma is passed, mine is taken back.
Okay, fair enough. I do understand your example in that a new dogma directly contradicts an older one. In principal it could happen, though, that a new dogma only conditionally contradicts an old dogma, and so we would have to break things down into sub-dogmas, and... let's not go there yet.
[proposal] Players cannot be voted to be removed from the game.

AYE

[proposal] Any dogma can be revised or removed if at least the same % is achieved as when the dogma was established.

AYE
[proposal] Players cannot be voted to be removed from the game. YES

[proposal] Any dogma can be revised or removed if at least the same % is achieved as when the dogma was established. NO

Because this [PROPOSAL: 51% majority = dogma] didn't pass, any new proposal still needs all the players to agree.

New proposal : 85% majority =dogma (Dogma is achieved at 85% agreement).
Post edited June 19, 2013 by GabiMoro
New proposal : 85% majority =dogma (Dogma is achieved at 85% agreement).
No. Too high, practically blocks new dogmas.

Question: why do we copy modern democracy? It's kind of functional for big groups of people, but do we really need such system for less than 10 players?
Post edited June 19, 2013 by Novotnus
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Novotnus: Question: why do we copy modern democracy? It's kind of functional for big groups of people, but do we really need such system for less than 10 players?
Maybe because it gives this illusion of fairness? It would be interesting if we come up with a new and different working system.
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Novotnus: New proposal : 85% majority =dogma (Dogma is achieved at 85% agreement).
No. Too high, practically blocks new dogmas.
ahahaha.......85% is still better than what we have now (100%).

51% from 6 people means we need 4 YAYS for a new dogma.
85% from 6 people means we need 5 YAYS for a new dogma.
Perhaps you should reconsider your vote.
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dizcology: Maybe because it gives this illusion of fairness? It would be interesting if we come up with a new and different working system.
Any idea about passing some kind of 'enlightened monarchy'? : ) Like: 2/3 of us can pass a Monarch. Monarch's cadency lasts 24/48 hours. Monarch needs at least 3 other people support to pass a dogma.
If new Monarch is not choosen after 24/48 hours, he \ she is choosen by random draw.
New proposal : 85% majority =dogma (Dogma is achieved at 85% agreement).

Nay.

Proposal: 3 AYEs = dogma.
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dizcology: Maybe because it gives this illusion of fairness? It would be interesting if we come up with a new and different working system.
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Novotnus: Any idea about passing some kind of 'enlightened monarchy'? : ) Like: 2/3 of us can pass a Monarch. Monarch's cadency lasts 24/48 hours. Monarch needs at least 3 other people support to pass a dogma.
If new Monarch is not choosen after 24/48 hours, he \ she is choosen by random draw.
This is interesting... sort of related to an idea I was playing with: Everyone has a limited amount of voting power, and every proposal costs some, and so does every vote a player casts. So for example a player who proposes many dogma will somehow be less influtial while the voting takes place.

The voting power should replenish over time (but then we should limit the period of time within which a proposal is voted on - or the voting power that can be spent by each player depends on the voting power he/she has at the time of proposal.)

This meta-stuff is fun and all, we still need to come up with a way to decide who wins the game code. And by the way, can the initial dogma ("there is a game code to be won") be modified? How much is xyem bound by the dogmas?
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dizcology: This meta-stuff is fun and all, we still need to come up with a way to decide who wins the game code. And by the way, can the initial dogma ("there is a game code to be won") be modified? How much is xyem bound by the dogmas?
All dogmas can be modified and I am bound by them as much as the players are (hence why I had to branch from Origin #0..), but I do have some veto power, so you can't just say "game codes for everyone on GOG!".

EDIT: So you can, for example, change it to 2 game codes to be won. However, as the dogma continue into the next game in the branch, if you raise the cost of dogma games too much for me, I won't be able to make them as often!
Post edited June 19, 2013 by xyem
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Novotnus: Any idea about passing some kind of 'enlightened monarchy'? : ) Like: 2/3 of us can pass a Monarch. Monarch's cadency lasts 24/48 hours. Monarch needs at least 3 other people support to pass a dogma.
If new Monarch is not choosen after 24/48 hours, he \ she is choosen by random draw.
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dizcology: This is interesting... sort of related to an idea I was playing with: Everyone has a limited amount of voting power, and every proposal costs some, and so does every vote a player casts. So for example a player who proposes many dogma will somehow be less influtial while the voting takes place.

The voting power should replenish over time (but then we should limit the period of time within which a proposal is voted on - or the voting power that can be spent by each player depends on the voting power he/she has at the time of proposal.)

This meta-stuff is fun and all, we still need to come up with a way to decide who wins the game code. And by the way, can the initial dogma ("there is a game code to be won") be modified? How much is xyem bound by the dogmas?
Interesting, but if we don't lower the % majority needed for a new dogma we won't acomplish anything.

First of all Bluemooner needs to take a look at the proposal from the first page (especialy at: xyem posts the actual number / names of players) because Erekose won't vote for any %majority unless this is cleared.

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niniendowarrior: Proposal: 3 AYEs = dogma.
YES (it won't pass though).
Post edited June 20, 2013 by GabiMoro