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FraterPerdurabo: http://www.examiner.com/article/laughing-texas-children-torture-turtle-to-the-brink-of-death

Rumour is that these kids were also seen in an AFA demonstration.
Do we really need a new thread about every idiot americans ?
I must say, I somewhat approve of FraterPerdurabos idea. Some opinions are so poisonous that they shouldn't be accepted by a civilized community. And especially blalant racism and homophobia should have absolutely no room anywhere. And it's not like that this every other post made over the weekend was about gaming. So, while he was a subtle as a mace hitting a face, I'm good with it.
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ne_zavarj: Do we really need a new thread about every idiot americans ?
You didn't read the rest of the thread. There's a point to it, and it worked, sort of. I do think it's completely futile, but there you go.
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Lou: snap
Glad to hear that!

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ne_zavarj: Do we really need a new thread about every idiot americans ?
No we don't, but let's not get this anti-US sentiment get in the way.
And before anyone butts in, I do think that the US is a fantastic country. Unlike the rest of Europeans, I'm a big fan (-to an extent, obviously.)
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FraterPerdurabo: Unlike the rest of Europeans, I'm a big fan (-to an extent, obviously.)
I oppose that sentiment. Amaericans and the US in general are very well received in Germany! We didn't like Bush, but so did most of the Americans. Just remember Obamas speech in Berlin.
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ne_zavarj: Do we really need a new thread about every idiot americans ?
Yes. Thirty down, three hundred million to go.
Not a single child is republican nor democratic. Just as not a single child is catholic nor muslim.

Children are born free and then are indocrtinated.

Ps. Creating trolling threads is not welcome, I'm downreping every single post of the OP, sorry :P
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Lou: You must have had some bad associations before - My children are all free to choose their own path. I simply raise them how I see my responsibility that has been given to me as their father. Any path they choose does not stop me from being their father. Kind of like God with all of us. We may not choose to follow his will but he does not stop loving us. Example: I have a daughter who is living with her soon to be husband. My will would have been to see them married first. However, I love and support them both and will be glad for them both when they are married this summer.
You would like them to give a free choice. The problem is, children are also indoctrinated in schools, by media, etc etc.
Post edited May 07, 2012 by keeveek
Hi,

have no fear the ninja turtles will avenge their brother or sister.

have a nice day.
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SimonG: I must say, I somewhat approve of FraterPerdurabos idea. Some opinions are so poisonous that they shouldn't be accepted by a civilized community. And especially blalant racism and homophobia should have absolutely no room anywhere. And it's not like that this every other post made over the weekend was about gaming. So, while he was a subtle as a mace hitting a face, I'm good with it.
That's superb. "You have freedom of speech as long as you say what pleases me!"

Weren't you against censorship in one or two threads? Everybody has right to have as poisonous ideas as he likes. The moment when state should intervene is when they clrearly inciteing to comit a crime

for example: "Homosexuals are gay and homo!" is ok. But "Kill / beat / all homos!" is not.

Of course these are the rules in public places / debates. On GOG.com forums it's the owner who decides what can or cannot be said, because this is their property.
Post edited May 07, 2012 by keeveek
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keeveek: for example: "Homosexuals are gay and homo!" is ok. But "Kill / beat / all homos!" is not.
Simple, because were I come from human dignity is more important and overrules freedom of speech. Extreme "Hatespeech" is not protected, (neither are factual lies, btw). And I think that this is a good thing.
Post edited May 07, 2012 by SimonG
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keeveek: for example: "Homosexuals are gay and homo!" is ok. But "Kill / beat / all homos!" is not.
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SimonG: Simple, because were I come from human dignity is more important and overrules freedom of speech. Extreme "Hatespeech" is not protected, (neither are factual lies, btw). And I think that this is a good thing.
Does it work both ways?

Because saying "racists, homophobic people are stupid / should be eradicated / are poisoning the society" is hatespeech as well.

So it's ok to hate people when you hate appropieate people?
Post edited May 07, 2012 by keeveek
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SimonG: Simple, because were I come from human dignity is more important and overrules freedom of speech. Extreme "Hatespeech" is not protected, (neither are factual lies, btw). And I think that this is a good thing.
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keeveek: Does it work both ways?

Because saying "racists, homophobic people are stupid / should be eradicated / are poisoning the society" is hatespeech as well.
Simple:

should be eradicated - hatespeech, denying any human the right to live is borderline to start with. Making that dependend on an opinion, no matter how wrong is hatespeech.

are poisoning the society - voicing and opinion. I'm not denying their right to live, but I'm battling their influences in public spaces
Ok... But I don't understand what's the difference between

Muslims are poisoning the society because something and

Racists are poisining the society because something

The first opinion is racist, the second opinion shouldn't be allowed?

I'm not asking directly you (cause you explained it enough), because I could say that "hating" Republicans is so hip these days, like it was something to be ashamed to be Republican.

People forget that the most important factor in politics should be economics. Republicans are the only liberal economically party that I could name and that have significant amount of voters. In other countries it's rather socialists or christian-democratic or something

There are plenty liberals in Republican parties who don't "hate" about homosexuals, immigrants etc.

And I find it silly, when people choose their parties only driven by the factor "what they think about homosexuals".

Because I find it pretty hyprocitical when someone claims to be tolerant and then says "Society is diverse! You can be anybody you like unless you are this , that and this". Republicans are the same, but they are just straight (lol) about that.
Post edited May 07, 2012 by keeveek
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keeveek: Does it work both ways?

Because saying "racists, homophobic people are stupid / should be eradicated / are poisoning the society" is hatespeech as well.

So it's ok to hate people when you hate appropieate people?
I've always been with Simon about this. It's not 'hatred' to dislike people who are intolerant and racist. The contrary would lead to a ridiculous fallacy: "You hate me for hating black people, therefore you are intolerant."
who the hell cares of animal brutality when we fail to stop human brutality, praying those bast*** kids dont survive long enough to do the latter, "live with decency or dont bother living"