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EA has tried to downplay the negative reviews of the DRM in Spore on Amazon in a couple of different ways. One of these was that Spore was targeted because of the hype surrounding it's release. And we all know what the CEO thinks of those of us who aren't happy with limited installs, etc.
(if you missed it, see here:http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655)
Seems the same thing is happening with Crysis: Warhead and Dead Space. So if you were intrigued by either of those titles, but would not purchase them with EA's current use of SecuRom, drop by Amazon.com and tell them why. Here are the links to the relevant pages:
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0019C4MU2/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B001ATHKVC/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Just a suggestion, be courteous, clear and stick to the point. Let EA and any potential buyers know what you think.
Edit: trying to make the URL tag thingies work...GRRRRRRRRR they all wanna go to the first link.)
Post edited October 24, 2008 by SkullCowboy
Sometimes I think DRM is an elaborate ploy to sell 360s and PS3s.
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nemt: Sometimes I think DRM is an elaborate ploy to sell 360s and PS3s.

More like an elaborate ploy to keep second hand shops from reselling the titles.
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nemt: Sometimes I think DRM is an elaborate ploy to sell 360s and PS3s.
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Weclock: More like an elaborate ploy to keep second hand shops from reselling the titles.

Very true. Ea has said before they do not like second hand sales.
Err... I'm no expert for the matter, but is there some kind of on-line verification for console versions? Cause if there's not, it kinda ruins the whole 'no-second-hand-thing'
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Fenixp: Err... I'm no expert for the matter, but is there some kind of on-line verification for console versions? Cause if there's not, it kinda ruins the whole 'no-second-hand-thing'

Heh, good point. They really are idiots (people in charge of UBI,EA and 2K, that is).
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Fenixp: Err... I'm no expert for the matter, but is there some kind of on-line verification for console versions? Cause if there's not, it kinda ruins the whole 'no-second-hand-thing'
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Paul_cz: Heh, good point. They really are idiots (people in charge of UBI,EA and 2K, that is).

It is DRM (Spore, Dead Space, Bioshock, etc), 10-15 hours of gameplay for the same $50 price point (Dead Space, Bioshock, Dreamfall, Fahrenheit,etc) and shallow repetitive storytelling and gaming (Far Cry 2, Crysis, Star Trek Legacy, etc) that is killing PC gaming and combined, quite simply, is the reason that retro PC gaming if the fastest growing genre.
You only have to see the success of G.O.G., the ebay retro gaming section growth and the 5+ million DOSBox downloads to prove retro is where it's at.
This retro gaming growth (which exists on console too!) is an indictment of modern games and modern gaming.
Even games that do not have onerus DRM and do have lots of gameplay and do have lots of replayability, like the Elder Scroll series, are getting smaller and dumber and shallower, from Daggerfall to Morrowind to Oblivion, there is an obvious trend there.
Also where we once had deep RPG's like Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment from Bioware, we now get 'Action-RPG's' like Jade Empire and Mass Effect. Both of these latter titles are much more shallow than the deep RPG's Bioware started with.
When you look at most of the G.O.G. games released so far,you see great old games that are not only cheap, but all offer much more entertainment value. I don;t think there is a single game available here that does not have at least 30 hours of gameplay with good replayability to boot. This is where gaming used to be generally, down marked by gaming magazines for having less than 30 hours of gameplay, then marked down again for little replayability. Now we get games like Dead Space, with 10 hours of gameplay getting 90%+!! 10 hours for your $50 is okay, and yet these same magazines would complain if a 30hour game was sold for $150!!! And yet per hour, that is what you are paying for Dead Space!
I am so glad I have a 20 year collection of PC games sitting on my shelves, because I know I will always have great games to play. It's just such a shame that most of the great one's are 10 years old!
I expect a run of EA titles to be mass 1 star'd for quite some time. Either until the people doing it get bored, or EA backs off a little on the DRMness.
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UK_John: ----

I have to pretty much agree with all of said post.
Aside from the new technology (mostly graphic wise) there is not that much to be excited about in all the new stuff. Even so, I find graphics is not important, I waste too much time with old ASCII games :)
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UK_John: Also where we once had deep RPG's like Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment from Bioware, we now get 'Action-RPG's' like Jade Empire and Mass Effect. Both of these latter titles are much more shallow than the deep RPG's Bioware started with.

Hey, it ain't cool to call Jade Empire or Mass Effect shallow titles. They're fantastic, and in the way of Mass Effect, it is a minor milestone in how games are perceived in relation to how characters react with other characters, romance builds, etc...
Not to say that they are better than previous titles, but to say that there has been no progress or that these games are somehow worse is a little ridiculous. How about they're different because they're catering to an audience? Mass Effect and Jade Empire are both first and foremost console titles, while their earlier titles were PC.. they're simply trying to 'not seem boring' to the Halo players.. hahahahah...
I don't mind sitting down for a couple of hours and spending some real deep customization and strategizing for a PC rpg, but when it comes to a console game, I want the action, right there. Otherwise I'll just toss on a movie with a good story, or go to my PC. Console titles are primarily action oriented, and this is why.
The rest of those points I fairly much agree with, though.
1 staring EA's new games on Amazon is entirely childish and I doubt it does anything positive for 'the cause'. Armchair activism at its finest.
If you feel that strongly against EA's DRM policy then put it in (real) writing and mail it. Fill out the registration form (if it has one) and put that the activation was annoying. Or just dont buy the game.
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chaotix: 1 staring EA's new games on Amazon is entirely childish and I doubt it does anything positive for 'the cause'. Armchair activism at its finest.
If you feel that strongly against EA's DRM policy then put it in (real) writing and mail it. Fill out the registration form (if it has one) and put that the activation was annoying. Or just dont buy the game.

Why not all four options??
1 starring Amazon is only childish if the comments with it are written as such. There are a good number of people posting exactly why they feel it deserves it that way in a coherent manner.
People are lazy or simple don't know where to look, and this is the easiest way for them to express themselves.
But I do believe that yes, writing a proper letter can be a better way of doing this.
edit: I need to add the quote and learn to count.
Post edited October 24, 2008 by Ois
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Ois: Why not all four options??

Pretty much because EA (the CEO no less) has come out and said how they feel about 1 staring (theres a thread somewhere here). As far as they're concerned its blackmail by a bunch of pirates running a PR campaign.
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Ois: 1 starring Amazon is only childish if the comments with it are written as such. There are a good number of people posting exactly why they feel it deserves it that way in a coherent manner.

The coherant reviews are drowned out by the massive ratio of nerdragers. Finding the good posts out of 310 pages of rubbish is a pretty pointless task.
In any case, as far as im concerned, any spore rating with 1 star is nerdrage and not coherant. Spore is not a 1 star game (metacritic average is 84%, lowest score is 50% aka 2.5 stars). For all but the worst games (ninjabread man springs to mind), 1 star is basically just spiteful.
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Ois: People are lazy or simple don't know where to look, and this is the easiest way for them to express themselves.

That's the problem with the internet :(
Even then im sure there are better ways to go about it. Imagine if 3000 people went a certain pirate bay and posted 3000 comments in the spore torrent that said 'EA punishes legitimate consumers because of pirates like you'. Or 3000 people wrote to said bay and asked them to blacklist the torrent.
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chaotix: Pretty much because EA (the CEO no less) has come out and said how they feel about 1 staring (theres a thread somewhere here). As far as they're concerned its blackmail by a bunch of pirates running a PR campaign.

It is however, a visible influence to the mass numbers of consumers who use Amazon, but are unaware of it. (Yes, I know it sold squillions of copies :()
John Riccitiello's opinion is not the one that should be used to be the main point of counter on this, and EA is not the only 'target'.
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chaotix: The coherant reviews are drowned out by the massive ratio of nerdragers. Finding the good posts out of 310 pages of rubbish is a pretty pointless task.
In any case, as far as im concerned, any spore rating with 1 star is nerdrage and not coherant. Spore is not a 1 star game (metacritic average is 84%, lowest score is 50% aka 2.5 stars). For all but the worst games (ninjabread man springs to mind), 1 star is basically just spiteful.

Yes, it takes some sorting, good ones are filtered to the top over time though.
I believe reviews in general are all out of whack anyway, and if people think it should have it, so be it. Yes, doing it out of spite is a little 'wrong' but there is plenty of stuff out there people simply don't like.
If you do believe it does not deserve 1 star, that's your internet given right! :D
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chaotix: That's the problem with the internet :(
Even then im sure there are better ways to go about it. Imagine if 3000 people went a certain pirate bay and posted 3000 comments in the spore torrent that said 'EA punishes legitimate consumers because of pirates like you'. Or 3000 people wrote to said bay and asked them to blacklist the torrent.

Writing a letter can help in many ways, but it needs to be done effectively & clearly. I agree, there are better ways, but getting people to spend the time and money to do this, when option 'internet form' is around is going to be a hard task!
Post edited October 24, 2008 by Ois
My opinion: go ahead and spam Spore and Warhead with 1-star reviews, they can burn in hell, but don't lay a finger on Dead Space because it's actually a decent game and not worthy of the same treatment.
Heh, I think this is not about how "awesum" the game is but about the DRM itself. I don't care whether the games it "teh greates" if I will be rigged with DRM software that simply restricts me and installs scheisse on my PC...