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Posted October 24, 2008
ah do me a favour and go up against the people who pirate games. seriously keep bitching to your friends who only pirate games. it does work, my bitching has now meant a friend of mine is actually going to pre order a few games.
Posted October 24, 2008
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chaotix: Pretty much because EA (the CEO no less) has come out and said how they feel about 1 staring (theres a thread somewhere here). As far as they're concerned its blackmail by a bunch of pirates running a PR campaign

How THEY feel (or rather what they say) about the 1-star ratings is completely irrelevant. The point is that partly because the 1-star ratings Spore sales were not what EA wanted them to be, the whole DRM fiasco found its way to the press (Forbes or Washington Post anyone?), EA is facing two lawsuits, and the stock prices are going down since the Spore's US release (way BEFORE the market dive). JR may try to spin this off by saying many stupid things, but in the end the 1-star ratings are a serious pain in the ass and a PR nightmare for the marketing department of EA. Anyone suggesting that 1-star ratings had no effect is simply ignoring the reality.
Post edited October 24, 2008 by sahib
Posted October 24, 2008
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chaotix: 1 staring EA's new games on Amazon is entirely childish and I doubt it does anything positive for 'the cause'. Armchair activism at its finest.

Expressing ones concerns in a clear, calm and concise manner in whatever forum is available is not childish. Typing a tantrum with expletives and 'dOOOdes tHaTs soooo LAME!11!' is childish.
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chaotix: If you feel that strongly against EA's DRM policy then put it in (real) writing and mail it. Fill out the registration form (if it has one) and put that the activation was annoying. Or just dont buy the game.

I have written snail mail. But with a letter, you are only certain that a single person is going to at least glance at it. Post on the internet and you potentially reach a mass audience. Post on Amazon? How many people will see that? I also have been run out of a GameStop or two for advising customers with a game in their hand about the DRM in it. (I dislike GameStop but they sometimes have a good bargain bin and the clerks are fun to annoy.)
Filling out the registration form requires that I buy the game, which I won't. And with that, I want EA, and as important, potential buyers of that game to know why I won't. So maybe EA loses not only my money, but other folks as well.
Childish, armchair activists? Taking lessons from the EA CEO in community relations, are we?
Posted October 24, 2008
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chaotix: Pretty much because EA (the CEO no less) has come out and said how they feel about 1 staring (theres a thread somewhere here). As far as they're concerned its blackmail by a bunch of pirates running a PR campaign
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sahib: How THEY feel (or rather what they say) about the 1-star ratings is completely irrelevant. The point is that partly because the 1-star ratings Spore sales were not what EA wanted them to be, the whole DRM fiasco found its way to the press (Forbes or Washington Post anyone?), EA is facing two lawsuits, and the stock prices are going down since the Spore's US release (way BEFORE the market dive). JR may try to spin this off by saying many stupid things, but in the end the 1-star ratings are a serious pain in the ass and a PR nightmare for the marketing department of EA. Anyone suggesting that 1-star ratings had no effect is simply ignoring the reality.

Ditto, Sahib! The fact that JR made comment AT ALL about the 1 star reviews shows that they are concerned a tad somewhere in the EA food chain.
Post edited October 24, 2008 by SkullCowboy
Posted October 24, 2008
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crozon: ah do me a favour and go up against the people who pirate games. seriously keep bitching to your friends who only pirate games. it does work, my bitching has now meant a friend of mine is actually going to pre order a few games.

Almost missed you, crozon, but your comment is one of THE MOST EFFECTIVE ways to make a difference. Friends, family, people we know will tend to listen a little more then faceless folks on the internet or at a letters destination. And if you convince one person, like you did, and can get HIM/HER to convince one, etc etc. Plus one to ya!
Post edited October 24, 2008 by SkullCowboy
Posted October 24, 2008
Ubisoft will also start to feel some of the DRM wrath. FarCry 2 has been getting hammered in the same way EA's games have on Amazon.
It's a shame that Dead Space has also been caught in this mess. I really wanted to buy it for PC, but I'm not letting SecuROM touch my PC after having witnessed what it can do to it when it doesn't play by the rules.
Posted October 24, 2008
The only good side of this entire DRM fiasco is that my PS3 is getting a lot more work to do, although that means I have to pay more for games :(
To be honest I haven't bought a new PC game for months - I've been living off budget and DOS games.
Posted October 24, 2008
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eswat: Ubisoft will also start to feel some of the DRM wrath. FarCry 2 has been getting hammered in the same way EA's games have on Amazon.
It's a shame that Dead Space has also been caught in this mess. I really wanted to buy it for PC, but I'm not letting SecuROM touch my PC after having witnessed what it can do to it when it doesn't play by the rules.

Ubisoft kind of surprises me, but then again kind of not. They were caught up in the StarForce fiasco several years back and most of their new titles were saddled with it. The Ubi forums got quite up in arms about it and it got to the point that all you had to do was mention it in a post and you were at risk of being banned. Then they dropped StarForce, even going so far as to patch it out in a couple of games (sorry to say that Silent Hunter III was not one of them). Now they are right back in the stew.
I'm with you, eswat. I have been following the progress of Dead Space since I first heard about it. It is a game that I REALLY wanted to play. Oh well...
Posted October 27, 2008
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UK_John: Also where we once had deep RPG's like Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment from Bioware, we now get 'Action-RPG's' like Jade Empire and Mass Effect. Both of these latter titles are much more shallow than the deep RPG's Bioware started with.
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Weclock: Hey, it ain't cool to call Jade Empire or Mass Effect shallow titles. They're fantastic, and in the way of Mass Effect, it is a minor milestone in how games are perceived in relation to how characters react with other characters, romance builds, etc...
Not to say that they are better than previous titles, but to say that there has been no progress or that these games are somehow worse is a little ridiculous. How about they're different because they're catering to an audience? Mass Effect and Jade Empire are both first and foremost console titles, while their earlier titles were PC.. they're simply trying to 'not seem boring' to the Halo players.. hahahahah...
I don't mind sitting down for a couple of hours and spending some real deep customization and strategizing for a PC rpg, but when it comes to a console game, I want the action, right there. Otherwise I'll just toss on a movie with a good story, or go to my PC. Console titles are primarily action oriented, and this is why.
The rest of those points I fairly much agree with, though.

In of themselves they are not totally shallow. But notice I said IN COMPASION with Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment they are shallow.And surely you, like me, must agree that when compared Jade Empire and Mass Effect ARE shallow IN COMPARISON. (sorry for capitals - there is no italics, etc as an option!) :)
Posted October 27, 2008
They're different. That's like saying a game like Goldeneye 007 is shallow in comparison to a game like Final Fantasy Tactics.
It's a completely different type of game.
Action RPGs are vastly different from full on RPGs.
In my opinion, as far as an Action game goes, Mass Effect is extremely deep. As far as an RPG goes, it is lacking, but it is neither strictly an RPG or an Action game. It uses elements of both. To make a comparison of the sweetness of a lemon compared to an orange, is silly because people don't eat lemons because they're sweet. Just like you wouldn't play an action RPG for all the depth of a real RPG.
Posted October 27, 2008
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Weclock: They're different. That's like saying a game like Goldeneye 007 is shallow in comparison to a game like Final Fantasy Tactics.
It's a completely different type of game.
Action RPGs are vastly different from full on RPGs.
In my opinion, as far as an Action game goes, Mass Effect is extremely deep. As far as an RPG goes, it is lacking, but it is neither strictly an RPG or an Action game. It uses elements of both. To make a comparison of the sweetness of a lemon compared to an orange, is silly because people don't eat lemons because they're sweet. Just like you wouldn't play an action RPG for all the depth of a real RPG.

That's my whole point! Action-Adventures, as a genre, are more shallow than RPG's as a genre, on average. Bioware has moved from RPG's to Action-Adventures, that is a trend.Yes, RPG's are different from Action-Adventures, but in the context of what my original post said this just give an example of how games are getting shallower. Games are becoming more 'twitch' orientated with genres that demand brain use, like adventure games, simulations and RPG's getting fewer and genres like RTS's having base building, resource collecting and in fact any 'strategy' at all! World in Conflict, for example was said to play 'like a shooter'.
So I stand by my point that Bioware started with 'brain' games and have moved to mostly 'twitch' games, like practically everyone else. When it comes to games that require brain use you have to go PC retro or to PC indie games - oh and surprise surprise, they are the fastest growing genres in PC gaming at the moment!
Posted October 27, 2008
Well, like I said as well, Mass Effect and Jade Empire are first and foremost console games and it appears as if Bioware is trying to be more of a Console game developer than a PC game developer.
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