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After all, peaceful revolutions are possible even against oppressive regimes as the past has shown us
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keeveek: Really? Large protests in France, England, Greece haven't change ANYTHING.

And I don't want to hold a gun to kill a politician, I want to have a gun to protect myself and my family from bad guys. Just it. And I can't, because the Police is competent to deny me access to weapons without any reason.
Opressive Regimes never want their citizens to have weapons of course, that's the only reason. If someone wants the citizens not to have weapons then it is for the obvious reason to supress them.
I still find it pretty funny that in US you can buy gun when you're what, 18 but to buy alcohol you must be 21.
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rangun: I still find it pretty funny that in US you can buy gun when you're what, 18 but to buy alcohol you must be 21.
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RoyRodgers: I guess because a drunk man with a gun is worse somehow than a man with a gun?
And I think you're never too young to kill a bandit. Suits for me.
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keeveek: This is exactly the point. Criminals will always have access to arms, no matter the law.

But if a criminal would know , there are 15 people with pistols around him, he would think twice before the robbery.

I really don't know why Americans clearly understand that point, but Europeans don't. Europeans seem to like being helpless against criminals.
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RoyRodgers: I think I read an article on my email's newsfeed once about higher crime rates in some areas of London/etc...i'm guessing that's due partlly to people not having weapons....they even ban sales of sharp knives there except with id.
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Demut: Ah, I see now. Well, this is not an issue for me because I abhor violence and think that there should be no guns at all. So there you go. No murdering for you, Mister. And while I see this “government trying to monopolize arms in order to avoid resistance” argument a lot I don’t think it’s very convincing. After all, peaceful revolutions are possible even against oppressive regimes as the past has shown us (no, I am not talking about the Middle East).
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RoyRodgers: Ever try facing a tank with a butter knife?
@ RoyRodgers

That was good one and of course oppressive governments (communist) never want their citizens to be armed so they cannot strike back. Commism is the worst slavery i have ever seen and it could be from the devil himself. I know of course who is behind the communism scam but the truth is "anit-semitic".
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RoyRodgers: Ever try facing a tank with a butter knife?
Oh wow, what a moot point. So an assault rifle would do a better job? Or are you demanding to be able to purchase explosives now?

Besides, the people in that tank are still humans no matter what. Don’t think that they’ll just go ahead and mush their fellow countrymen to pulp so easily.

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keeveek: Large protests in France, England, Greece haven't changed ANYTHING.
Duh, they are doing it wrong.

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keeveek: And I don't want to hold a gun to kill a politician, I want to have a gun to protect myself and my family from bad guys.
See, there is a difference between us. I wouldn’t want to kill another human being just to preserve my own life or the one of another. I don’t think highly of consequentialism. But you know, if you are that selfish — go ahead and knock yourself out.
Duh, they are doing it wrong
People decide what is right or wrong in democracy, i thought.
See, there is a difference between us. I wouldn’t want to kill another human being just to preserve my own life or the one of another. I don’t think highly of consequentialism. But you know, if you are that selfish — go ahead and knock yourself out.
You funny guy! When someone knocks your door out and is trying to rape and murder your sister you just

"go ahead, i wouldn't want to kill another human being just to preserve the life of another. I will just stay and watch"
Post edited May 24, 2011 by keeveek
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slash11: @ RoyRodgers

That was good one and of course oppressive governments (communist) never want their citizens to be armed so they cannot strike back. Commism is the worst slavery i have ever seen and it could be from the devil himself. I know of course who is behind the communism scam but the truth is "anit-semitic".
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RoyRodgers: It is funnyu I think how universal healthcare is called socialism or communism and hated by some in the U.S. but taking guns away is ok to some of those same people.
To be honest the so known "healthcare" we have today in the "western" world which has been perverted has not much to do with health. Only slaves do not want guns. And tyrants do not want armed citizens.
Post edited May 24, 2011 by slash11
Oh... don't tell me anything about state/universal healthcare... My father and my mother were paying taxes like for 50 years summed up, and my father still needs to wait six months for a surgery.

Because, you know, state healthcare is... "free"... yeah...
Also you've obviously never been to the U.S. much. Where many military men in europe will not harm their fellow countrymen(as seen in egypt), this is not always so in US....here they blindly follow orders in most cases.
As a German citizen he should know what "blindly follow orders" and "kill your countrymen and gas them" means, from history, hahaha, no offence.
Post edited May 24, 2011 by keeveek
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RoyRodgers: Actually I never said to give them assault rifles.
Then your tank objection is just pure nonsense and apparently nothing more than a brain fart of yours :|

And say, have you ever been to the military?

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keeveek: People decide what is right or wrong in democracy, i thought.
What the heck has this to do with what I wrote? I stated that they are demonstrating the wrong way.

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keeveek: You funny guy! When someone knocks your door out and is trying to rape and murder your sister you just

"go ahead, i wouldn't want to kill another human being just to preserve the life of another. I will just stay and watch"
What’s with the shitty straw man argument? Learn to debate properly, dude. Just because I don’t want to kill someone that doesn’t mean that I would take no actions at all.

You know, you nationlistic worm, the Nazi argument doesn’t work all that well because they didn’t think they killed Germans but “subhumans”. Even though the people in question were obviously German the propaganda alienated them.
Post edited May 24, 2011 by Demut
You know, you nationlistic worm, the Nazi argument doesn’t work to well because they didn’t think they killed Germans but “subhumans”. Even though the people in question were obviously German the propaganda alienated them.
You won't be a German for them too, when govt. will try to opress you and your family in some distant future. I think it doesn't matter for one's killed if they were called a German or not.
What’s with the shitty straw man argument? Learn to debate properly, dude. Just because I don’t want to kill someone that doesn’t mean that I would take no actions at all.
ok. sth like this "Please, dear mr. criminal, do not kill my sister, or I will call the Police or even try to defeat you in hand-to-hand combat. Mr. criminal, why are you pointing your gun to my head? Wai-.... *BLAM*"

And another insulting fella in here! I thought you told me that insulting someone is a crime! Please go to jail now :-)
Post edited May 24, 2011 by keeveek
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RoyRodgers: I guess because a drunk man with a gun is worse somehow than a man with a gun?
Really? So as keeveek talking about Poland a lot - how many massacres in schools were there? As far as I know it's hard to massacre a lot of people with bottle of whiskey.
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keeveek: Oh... don't tell me anything about state/universal healthcare... My father and my mother were paying taxes like for 50 years summed up, and my father still needs to wait six months for a surgery.

Because, you know, state healthcare is... "free"... yeah...
Also you've obviously never been to the U.S. much. Where many military men in europe will not harm their fellow countrymen(as seen in egypt), this is not always so in US....here they blindly follow orders in most cases.
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keeveek: As a German citizen he should know what "blindly follow orders" and "kill your countrymen and gas them" means, from history, hahaha, no offence.
The nazi reference is a low-blow, and definitely uncalled for.

Have any of you guys actually served? Seriously, when you're in a platoon/company/unit, the whole mindset is different. I'm not even shitting you. I'm not saying that non-military personnel are not entitled to their opinions but you've got to understand that they do not just "blindly follow orders". It's insulting to military people everywhere to make such a generalisation.
Post edited May 24, 2011 by wy4786
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rangun: Really? So as keeveek talking about Poland a lot - how many massacres in schools were there? As far as I know it's hard to massacre a lot of people with bottle of whiskey.
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RoyRodgers: It's sounds cliche, but guns don't kill people.......

As in even if we take guns away criminals will get them and people will still die, by criminals with guns or imrpovised weapons.
Another tip: how many people in Poland died because they didn't have anything to protect themselves but a broomstick?

If someone breaks to your house in USA , he will probably die soon.

If someone breaks to your house in Poland, you hide in your closet and wait until he's gone.
I pity you, I really do. Someone who believes that violence is a good solution to problems is a truly pathetic being. I feel sorry for you.

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keeveek: You won't be a German for them too, when govt. will try to opress you and your family.
Yeaaah, right, because they would succeed at alienating the whole people. “Remember, from this day forth YOU are the chosen few, only you are TRVE Germans!”

Got any more jokes?

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keeveek: And another insulting fella in here! I though you told me that insulting someone is a crime! Please go to jail now :-)
Is this about the “nationalistic worm”? Sorry, I thought you’d take this as a compliment. Oh and by the way, crime ≠ jail. Strange to hear such hogwash from someone who emphasized the difference between penal law and civil law.
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RoyRodgers: As in even if we take guns away criminals will get them and people will still die, by criminals with guns or imrpovised weapons.
Funny thing that you're about cliches but coming up with armed criminals cliche. Don't you think that most criminals will use a weapon rather to threaten you then do actual harm? But if they know there's a big chance you're armed they'll shoot first and rob you afterwards or do you trully believe that having more armed citizens turn a lot of people from the crime path?