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Posted January 23, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: You would be a deist if you believe in some sort of god but not the type of any religion. Or agnostic which I call atheists who don't know it yet.
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Silverhawk170485: Atheists say: We don't believe in anything religious.

Agnostics say: We don't know if god exists but it might be possible.

Religious people say: God exists.
Indeed, he said he wasn't full atheist so i was trying to figure out what he was exactly.
Posted January 23, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I'm surprised this thread has not turned into this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl7JoM-VyDQ
This amused me.
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Posted January 23, 2014
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monkeydelarge: But if you beat it like it owed you money, you will go blind!
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Fenixp: Actually, hair will grow on your palms. It's a scientifically proven fact.
That's because we are unleashing our inner monkey.
Posted January 23, 2014
I used to work with someone who insisted the world was only 6000 years old. When I asked her about the fossil record she said it was a hoax.

You really can't argue with someone like that. It's akin to trying to have a rational conversation with someone who thinks the world is flat; no matter what evidence you bring to the table their mindset allows them to either discount it or ignore it.
Posted January 23, 2014
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Fenixp: Actually, hair will grow on your palms. It's a scientifically proven fact.
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monkeydelarge: That's because we are unleashing our inner monkey.
And then spanking it.
Posted January 23, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I'm surprised this thread has not turned into this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl7JoM-VyDQ
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Telika: This amused me.
AHAHAHAHA I didn't notice that before. Thanks for sharing.
Posted January 23, 2014
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tinyE: I used to work with someone who insisted the world was only 6000 years old. When I asked her about the fossil record she said it was a hoax.
Of course it's a hoax, for proof check out this page: http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=hoaxes

"There is no fossil evidence to support the "ape-man" image, which is unceasingly promulgated by the media and evolutionist academic circles. With brushes in their hands, evolutionists produce imaginary creatures, nevertheless, the fact that these drawings correspond to no matching fossils constitutes a serious problem for them. Despite the fact that no complete "transitional form" fossil has ever been found, the theory of evolution is taught more than ever in classrooms around the world."
Posted January 23, 2014
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tinyE: I used to work with someone who insisted the world was only 6000 years old. When I asked her about the fossil record she said it was a hoax.
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spindown: Of course it's a hoax, for proof check out this page: http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=hoaxes

"There is no fossil evidence to support the "ape-man" image, which is unceasingly promulgated by the media and evolutionist academic circles. With brushes in their hands, evolutionists produce imaginary creatures, nevertheless, the fact that these drawings correspond to no matching fossils constitutes a serious problem for them. Despite the fact that no complete "transitional form" fossil has ever been found, the theory of evolution is taught more than ever in classrooms around the world."
Not going to look at that link...I already do have a headache. lol
Posted January 23, 2014
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mystikmind2000: I have noticed Evolution is considered to be the 'scientific' explanation for life and Creationism is not. Is it simply because Evolution can be studied scientifically and Creationism cannot?

Personally i have always considered Creationism to be the more likely reason for life.... it is just too much of a leap of faith for me to believe we all 'grew' from mud!! And when i look closely at Evolution, there is almost no evidence to support it... in the sense that when Evolution is explained through all the fossil evidence, it is all purely human 'assumption', there is nothing 'real' in it.

So i guess the moral of the story is - when you make up a story why life exists, make up stories connecting fossils, not stories about parting the oceans!
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Magnitus: An issue with modern science in our society is that it is beyond the reach of many people.

Have you considered that perhaps, you haven't spend enough time in the various disciplines to get the necessary understanding to make sense of it?

I'm not saying I understand evolution in it's entirety, but between the biology I took in college, the 57 credits in maths & stats I did in university and the genetic algorithm I worked with in my AI class, I saw why evolution works on many levels.

Of course, I invested 6 years of my life in higher education. I'll understand if you don't want to make a similar time investment in the disciplines I studied just to better visualize evolution.
I think part of the problem is that there isn't the kind of emphasis on providing access to these concepts for laypeople. The broad strokes stuff isn't really that hard to understand, but there aren't many scientists out there writing for people that haven't gotten a degree, much less a sciences specific one.

There's also the issue that a lot of the science people get is rather stale. Darwinian evolution hasn't been the thing for quite some time due to flaws inherent in the theory, but the more current theories are heavily based upon that idea.

Then there's the issue of non-science being passed off as science because it would hurt people's feelings to not be called sciences, even though allowing them to use the term waters down and demeans the term.
Posted January 23, 2014
I wish I had time to keep up with this thread, interesting so far - keep it up.
Posted January 23, 2014
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mystikmind2000: I have noticed Evolution is considered to be the 'scientific' explanation for life and Creationism is not. Is it simply because Evolution can be studied scientifically and Creationism cannot?

Personally i have always considered Creationism to be the more likely reason for life.... it is just too much of a leap of faith for me to believe we all 'grew' from mud!! And when i look closely at Evolution, there is almost no evidence to support it... in the sense that when Evolution is explained through all the fossil evidence, it is all purely human 'assumption', there is nothing 'real' in it.

So i guess the moral of the story is - when you make up a story why life exists, make up stories connecting fossils, not stories about parting the oceans!
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Magnitus: An issue with modern science in our society is that it is beyond the reach of many people.

Have you considered that perhaps, you haven't spend enough time in the various disciplines to get the necessary understanding to make sense of it?

I'm not saying I understand evolution in it's entirety, but between the biology I took in college, the 57 credits in maths & stats I did in university and the genetic algorithm I worked with in my AI class, I saw why evolution works on many levels.

Of course, I invested 6 years of my life in higher education. I'll understand if you don't want to make a similar time investment in the disciplines I studied just to better visualize evolution.

EDIT: However, you can simply accept that thousands of incredibly smart people spanning multiple disciplines spent several millenia of combined man-years to come up with the current body of research supporting evolution.

You can take their word or take the words of a handful of individuals over two thousands years ago who probably didn't do a lot of research on the subject matter.
So your argument is that Evolution must be true because of the intelligence and education of human beings? Oh well i carnt argue with that, i tip my hat to your superior education, meanwhile i will go and study why i should win lotto and if i am smart enough, that will magically make it true!
Posted January 23, 2014
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Magnitus: An issue with modern science in our society is that it is beyond the reach of many people.

Have you considered that perhaps, you haven't spend enough time in the various disciplines to get the necessary understanding to make sense of it?

I'm not saying I understand evolution in it's entirety, but between the biology I took in college, the 57 credits in maths & stats I did in university and the genetic algorithm I worked with in my AI class, I saw why evolution works on many levels.

Of course, I invested 6 years of my life in higher education. I'll understand if you don't want to make a similar time investment in the disciplines I studied just to better visualize evolution.

EDIT: However, you can simply accept that thousands of incredibly smart people spanning multiple disciplines spent several millenia of combined man-years to come up with the current body of research supporting evolution.

You can take their word or take the words of a handful of individuals over two thousands years ago who probably didn't do a lot of research on the subject matter.
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mystikmind2000: So your argument is that Evolution must be true because of the intelligence and education of human beings? Oh well i carnt argue with that, i tip my hat to your superior education, meanwhile i will go and study why i should win lotto and if i am smart enough, that will magically make it true!
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Posted January 23, 2014
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mystikmind2000: So your argument is that Evolution must be true because of the intelligence and education of human beings? Oh well i carnt argue with that, i tip my hat to your superior education, meanwhile i will go and study why i should win lotto and if i am smart enough, that will magically make it true!
That's not at all what he said.
Posted January 23, 2014
*hands mystikmind2000 a chill pill*

Relax, we're just having a discussion here and no one here is attacking you so breath.
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Posted January 23, 2014
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mystikmind2000: So your argument is that Evolution must be true because of the intelligence and education of human beings? Oh well i carnt argue with that, i tip my hat to your superior education, meanwhile i will go and study why i should win lotto and if i am smart enough, that will magically make it true!
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Coelocanth: That's not at all what he said.
My point is that reality does not bend itself to fit with what people believe just because of their education or intelligence. That is not a valid argument to believe something to be true. What i do understand is that these things are part of his journey as to why he believes Evolution is true and that i can understand. but he then tries to use it to mock the validity of the reasons i believe what i do.
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