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jamyskis: He didn't claim that you have to be online to go offline, he said that games have to be ACTIVATED before offline mode will work. Which is absolutely correct.
Trouble hearing? He says "Steam offline game MODE has to be activated before you go offline" 13:20 mins.

Unless you still think anybody sane would say "you have to download the game first" as an issue, lol.
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Leroux: snip
I believe there still is an issue if steam client has an update scheduled. It may be avoided by deleting some files, I believe, but I never had such problem.

Usually, when steam can't connect, you pick "switch to offline mode" and voila.
Post edited October 27, 2012 by keeveek
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Leroux: Care to enlighten the ignorant? I didn't know yet that this was false information. I don't want to stir up another Steam discussion, I'm just curious how it works, because when a friend of mine moved and didn't have internet access for a week or more, he wasn't able to start Trine 2 in Offline Mode. He got an error message about Steam failing to connect for an update or something and was offered to play the game in Offline Mode, but every time he clicked on it, the client tried to go online again and gave him the same error message over and over. It didn't seem that easy and fool-proof to activate Offline Mode and put the client to rest, at least not for someone who isn't that familiar with Steam and only wants to play their games, not study how the client works ...
Depends on the wording.

The idea that you have to go/be online *each time* to activate offline mode is a myth that's been going around the internet for a long time. (especially among those not fond of/using Steam). This is partly because of the poorly worded Offline mode FAQ stating it, however they only mean that you have to be online while you set it up properly.

Steam's offline mode can be activated while having no internet at all, it's been like that for years. *However*, it has some serious caveats, and yes that means it's not easy and foolproof, which is something they really need to improve.

It needs to be setup right before using it. Your user/pass needs to be saved on login, and your games have to be downloaded and run *at least once * (finishes install), and have no pending updates before being useable with offline mode.

Beyond that, there's been serious bugs with it. One has been fixed very recently and was probably the worst of them. If you shut down Windows with Steam running it cut off the shutdown process and there was a good chance it'd require to go online next time to fix itself, which meant you couldn't properly put it to offline mode.

Another common one is that offline mode won't activate properly when behind a router or when internet isn't fully gone. Closing the internet connection/router or simply pulling the cable got around that quite easily.

It needs work, and is anything but foolproof, but none of that means Steam's Offline mode requires people to go online for it to work by default. That's only true when something's wrong or it wasn't set up properly yet, which sadly happens too often. In that sense Origin's works much better.
Post edited October 27, 2012 by Pheace
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aluinie: or the new Sim City.
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Pheace: Disliking that one too because I do really wants it :(

Not at those prices though, sheesh
So I'm not the only one who really wants simcity 5 but cant convince my self with the drm (and yet i bought diablo III knowing full well it had always online drm hmm)

GOG just needs some Sim City 3000 Unlimited and I'll feel much better I'm sure.
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aluinie: DRM is evil evil and online only DRM is the worst hence why i wont buy Diablo 3 or the new Sim City.
Same here. Sim City is an absolute joke though. But then EA in general is fast becoming a joke. It's hard to think of anything they're doing that's actually good now. Although I will admit that the NFS games have been getting better with the advent of Shift and the rest basically picking up where Burnout left off. But I'm not such a huge racing game fan for that to matter much to me.
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SimonG: What happened to, you know, WRITING a god-damn article.

I'm not watching a bloody video as a source of secondary information.
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AFnord: Different mediums, and some things are quite simply better shown with moving pictures.
But certainly not an article about the history of DRM.
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Xibalba: the always online on diablo 3, one of the worst drm on history
While I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole it's slightly more justifiable than Ubisoft's or EA's implementations. Plus with Blizzard you do at least know they'll still be supporting the game (always online or not) a decade from now. Whereas EA have probably already set a deactivation date for the Sim City servers with no plans of patching out the DRM whatsoever.
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SimonG: But certainly not an article about the history of DRM.
This may sadden you, but there are no articles on youtube.

Also, showing old class DRM (wheels, small book from Alone in the dark etc) looks way better on a video.
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SimonG: But certainly not an article about the history of DRM.
He shows older, physical forms of DRM that would be impossible to demonstrate without a video.
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Navagon: . Plus with Blizzard you do at least know they'll still be supporting the game (always online or not) a decade from now.
What makes you so sure? Starcraft 2 community is already fading away. Neither SC2 nor Diablo 3 will be played by people for so long as Diablo 2.

And if you think Blizz will support the servers even if it will cause them huge financial losses... You may be disappointed...
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keeveek: And if you think Blizz will support the servers even if it will cause them huge financial losses... You may be disappointed...
They'll probably kill the DRM if the game doesn't warrant sustaining. They rely very strongly on existing community support, rather than new gamers, like a lot of other publishers. After all, it's that same community support that made them arrogant enough to implement an always online scheme in the first place. So if they severely piss people off then they'll take a much more severe hit than other publishers would.
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keeveek: What makes you so sure? Starcraft 2 community is already fading away
Yes, it definitely is. /s
It's a great video. Do yourself a favour and watch it.
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keeveek: What makes you so sure? Starcraft 2 community is already fading away
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Elenarie: Yes, it definitely is. /s
One of the greatest Starcraft clan disbanded (Slayers)
People still prefer playing first Starcraft game, at least in Korea.
Steven "Destiny" Bonnell , a professional Starcraft 2 player says that the game might be dead even before releasing the second expansion. Destiny says that SC2 is a wonderful professional sports game, but it scares the new players. And he already sees that the SC2 servers movement is slowing down. Drastically.

Surprisingly, the biggest threat to SC2 is.. League of legends. Much more noob friendly, to say the least, manages to keep players occupied.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11m21k/starcraft_2_will_be_dead_before_legacy_of_the/
Post edited October 27, 2012 by keeveek
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keeveek: But he repeats the false information about having to be online to go to offline mode on Steam, meaning his research wasn't that good...
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jamyskis: He didn't claim that you have to be online to go offline, he said that games have to be ACTIVATED before offline mode will work. Which is absolutely correct.
No he said that you have to activate offline mode while you are online which is incrorect. You only have to launch the game once in online mode and it will work in offline mode.

The difference is, that with the way he describes it. you can't play a game that you already played before if your ISP has sudden problems and your internet doesn't work because you would have to be online to activate the offline mode.


Another mistake he makes is one that almost everyone makes. He said that the DRM that causes gameplay changes like the one in settlers 3 or serious sam 3 is a special form of DRM. It is not. Actually it isn't the DRM it is the result of the DRM triggering. In most other cases this result would be that the game simply refuses to start.
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keeveek: ...
I was going to write a long post... but come on, think about it, how long has WoW been dying? :) Didn't WoW pro gamers leave the scene after WotLK was introduced?