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Posted June 26, 2014
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Tarnicus: To others commenting on Steam as being DRM, it only uses DRM if the developer or publisher include it by using their:

"CEG (Custom Executable Generation) is Valve's alternative to the pitfalls of DRM and part of Steamworks, the company's free suite of publishing and development tools. What this technology does is register each copy of a game unique to one user, who can then use the title between compatible PCs without any kind of limits or root kits."

There are many Steam games who installation folders can simply be copied to other computers and don't even require the client once downloaded. Fortunately for those who care, GOG offers this with EVERY game :)

A lot has changed with Steam over the years and it is a hell of a lot better than it once was. I consider it a place to rent games mostly, not own them as I do with games from here and other DRM free sites.

Oh fuck it I got lured in to beating off that dead horse and feel dirty already :P
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vulchor: Sorry for bringing you back into this, man. You are technically correct right, however every list I've seen has been quite incomplete. Although that is the technical case, effectively it still remains DRM in every instance that I've been forced to use it for. But yeah, Steam itself is just the platform for the more notorious Steamworks DRM.
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Cyberevil: thankfully, I already do this. AND run Boss and still sometimes have to figure out what hates what on my own. Plus Nexus has the adult mods that you won't find on Steam either... Although even they draw a line that one other site (name eludes me now, I'm a little sleepy) crosses.
I haven't added even one mod off steam, even when it's not available on Nexus (my one complaint with them is they seem VERY temperamental, and ban great modders and mods WAY too often.
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vulchor: Good to hear!! Nexus didn't use to draw ANY line for mods, just as long as it was marked adult. Then came child rape mods. That didn't last long.
Yea, even I don't want those! I had noticed that there were a lot of updates that mod manager claims exist(?) but aren't on Nexus though. I like I said, i know a bunch of the good modders had been banned from the site for being even the least bit critical (or so I hear, purely hearsay on my part)
Posted June 26, 2014
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Tarnicus: We've got some similarities there! I was just about to link you something I wrote to skeletonbow last night on this topic via PM, but it appears to have vanished :( Looks like PMs are on the blink again.

Short version - with the state the gaming industry was in, I pirated everything and thought 'fuck you!' was my right of reply for direction it was heading. Since then I have purchased almost everything I used to own or pirated on digital distribution sites such as GOG. I like to support creative people with their hard work and avoid those publishers and developers I dislike. Fortunately gaming changed from a "nerd" industry into a mainstream activity.
Yeah, you have hinted at that past a couple of times, that's why you stood out to me, because of the similarities to my own. I did what you did too, I went back and paid money for almost everything that I ever pirated (except the utter garbage). Unfortunately, I did so in many cases on Steam before I found GOG. Then I went and bought almost every game in the GOG library that even remotely interested me, even if I already owned it on Steam or retail. so I think I have made penance to the industry.
Posted June 26, 2014
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vulchor: Sorry for bringing you back into this, man. You are technically correct right, however every list I've seen has been quite incomplete. Although that is the technical case, effectively it still remains DRM in every instance that I've been forced to use it for. But yeah, Steam itself is just the platform for the more notorious Steamworks DRM.
Good to hear!! Nexus didn't use to draw ANY line for mods, just as long as it was marked adult. Then came child rape mods. That didn't last long.
I'm setting up an old computer downstairs that won't be connected to the internet(for the most part) and will do a few tests myself to see which games I have that run natively without the Steam client. I've only read that it is possible with some but haven't actually tested it myself yet.

Living without stable internet for 3 years(before I moved last September I used mobile internet which is very dodgy where I live and couldn't get fixed line) really rammed home the concept of why I don't like anything that requires me to connect to the internet after I've installed a game. I thought "No worries, Steam has offline mode" and that was buggy as hell too and could constantly lose my credentials and ask me to connect to the internet.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Tarnicus: Yeah I grabbed that for my girlfriend as she also loves the movies. I don't seem to appreciate them as I did when I was younger :) I said to her "we already have that one on DVD" (referring to the above game) and fortunately she set me straight and told me that no Dark Athena was the sequel to the game we have.

I'm starting to really enjoy being proven wrong as it reminds me that I am a human being after all :)
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trentonlf: LOL, my wife is good at keeping me human too :)

For me it seems to be opposite. The older I get the more I enjoy the sci-fi/fantasy genre more in movies. Now at 42 I own more of that genre than I did at any point in the past.
42? According to a very famous and much beloved (rightfully so!) science fiction legend, your age is in fact the answer to everything.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Cyberevil: Yea, even I don't want those! I had noticed that there were a lot of updates that mod manager claims exist(?) but aren't on Nexus though. I like I said, i know a bunch of the good modders had been banned from the site for being even the least bit critical (or so I hear, purely hearsay on my part)
Ugh, old modders banned from Nexus? That's not good news. It's still the first place I check when I mod games, but it really doesn't have the depth (even though it's got the best system) that fileplanet or moddb, or smaller game independent sites had, when it comes to games that are not TES or DragonAge or The Witcher. I liked the idea of opening it up to EVERY game, but I think that was about 7 years too late.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Ragnarblackmane: 42? According to a very famous and much beloved (rightfully so!) science fiction legend, your age is in fact the answer to everything.
My favourite author and I'm reading his works atm :) It is also the answer to life and the universe (as well as everything) :)
Posted June 26, 2014
Just, you know... make sure you ask the right question.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Tarnicus: I'm setting up an old computer downstairs that won't be connected to the internet(for the most part) and will do a few tests myself to see which games I have that run natively without the Steam client. I've only read that it is possible with some but haven't actually tested it myself yet.

Living without stable internet for 3 years(before I moved last September I used mobile internet which is very dodgy where I live and couldn't get fixed line) really rammed home the concept of why I don't like anything that requires me to connect to the internet after I've installed a game. I thought "No worries, Steam has offline mode" and that was buggy as hell too and could constantly lose my credentials and ask me to connect to the internet.
That's a great idea. As soon as my boy gets to be about 6 years old, I'm going to hook up my old 286 and he gets to spend the next 10 years of his life exploring videogame history with his papa! I'm really excited to pass down all of my expertise to the little guy.

Yeah, offline mode is such a joke, but the fanboys always throw it in our faces when we say that we prefer GOG to Steam. I was always having the internet shut off on me from 2004-2009 (when my company started paying for internet, since it's about $100/mo in my area) and offline mode fucked me nearly every time. Steam doesn't cooperate well when you own more than one computer, either. It always lost my credentials. The fanboys, I think, have never had to deal with not having an internet connection for any lengthy period of time.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Tarnicus: We've got some similarities there! I was just about to link you something I wrote to skeletonbow last night on this topic via PM, but it appears to have vanished :( Looks like PMs are on the blink again.

Short version - with the state the gaming industry was in, I pirated everything and thought 'fuck you!' was my right of reply for direction it was heading. Since then I have purchased almost everything I used to own or pirated on digital distribution sites such as GOG. I like to support creative people with their hard work and avoid those publishers and developers I dislike. Fortunately gaming changed from a "nerd" industry into a mainstream activity.
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vulchor: Yeah, you have hinted at that past a couple of times, that's why you stood out to me, because of the similarities to my own. I did what you did too, I went back and paid money for almost everything that I ever pirated (except the utter garbage). Unfortunately, I did so in many cases on Steam before I found GOG. Then I went and bought almost every game in the GOG library that even remotely interested me, even if I already owned it on Steam or retail. so I think I have made penance to the industry.
I was just checking the daily deals on the tracking thread and realised that Risen 1&2 are here. I won't be able to grab them this sale but they are definitely on my list of games that I want here(rather than Steam). I've been doing the same and slowly but surely getting everything that I have on Steam here where I am able to :) I've definitely paid my penance too! lol

I just checked and wow Might & Magic 1-6 was my first purchase! My friend bought me the Witcher the day after I joined GOG. Fallout was my 17th purchase, and that must have been due to a sale I'd say even though they are some of my favourite and most played games of all time.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Cyberevil: Yea, even I don't want those! I had noticed that there were a lot of updates that mod manager claims exist(?) but aren't on Nexus though. I like I said, i know a bunch of the good modders had been banned from the site for being even the least bit critical (or so I hear, purely hearsay on my part)
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vulchor: Ugh, old modders banned from Nexus? That's not good news. It's still the first place I check when I mod games, but it really doesn't have the depth (even though it's got the best system) that fileplanet or moddb, or smaller game independent sites had, when it comes to games that are not TES or DragonAge or The Witcher. I liked the idea of opening it up to EVERY game, but I think that was about 7 years too late.
It's unfortunately true; I have a couple of modding buddies in the Warband community who refuse to have anything to do with Nexus. Then again I don't even care for nexus much next to ModDB simply for interface and community reasons.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Ixamyakxim: Just, you know... make sure you ask the right question.
You mean "What do you get when you multiply six by nine?" isn't the right question? :P
Posted June 26, 2014
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vulchor: Ugh, old modders banned from Nexus? That's not good news. It's still the first place I check when I mod games, but it really doesn't have the depth (even though it's got the best system) that fileplanet or moddb, or smaller game independent sites had, when it comes to games that are not TES or DragonAge or The Witcher. I liked the idea of opening it up to EVERY game, but I think that was about 7 years too late.
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Ragnarblackmane: It's unfortunately true; I have a couple of modding buddies in the Warband community who refuse to have anything to do with Nexus. Then again I don't even care for nexus much next to ModDB simply for interface and community reasons.
Oh... as I said, I'm not very active at the nexus anymore, but I always much prefered nexus over ModDB because I hated ModDB's interface and really enjoyed the Nexus community. ModDB has improved over the last few years, it used to horrid like fileplanet. It is so terribly sad to hear that, though, about contributors being banned.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Tarnicus: We've got some similarities there! I was just about to link you something I wrote to skeletonbow last night on this topic via PM, but it appears to have vanished :( Looks like PMs are on the blink again.

Short version - with the state the gaming industry was in, I pirated everything and thought 'fuck you!' was my right of reply for direction it was heading. Since then I have purchased almost everything I used to own or pirated on digital distribution sites such as GOG. I like to support creative people with their hard work and avoid those publishers and developers I dislike. Fortunately gaming changed from a "nerd" industry into a mainstream activity.
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vulchor: Yeah, you have hinted at that past a couple of times, that's why you stood out to me, because of the similarities to my own. I did what you did too, I went back and paid money for almost everything that I ever pirated (except the utter garbage). Unfortunately, I did so in many cases on Steam before I found GOG. Then I went and bought almost every game in the GOG library that even remotely interested me, even if I already owned it on Steam or retail. so I think I have made penance to the industry.
I went through a phase of collecting pirate copies of games mainly because I got fed up with paying a fortune for rubbish that only ended up installed for 20 minutes! If l liked a game I'd go out and buy it, a prime example of this being Sacred. I spent about an hour playing the base game before heading to the local shop to buy the Gold version (that's currently in the Flash Sale rotation). Lots of the games l downloaded l never got around to installing but most of them I've now got sitting on my GOG shelf. In fact, the first thing I bought here was the D & D bundle, which replaced at least 8 copy games in one purchase, none of which l'd ever actually played!
Posted June 26, 2014
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Ragnarblackmane: It's unfortunately true; I have a couple of modding buddies in the Warband community who refuse to have anything to do with Nexus. Then again I don't even care for nexus much next to ModDB simply for interface and community reasons.
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vulchor: Oh... as I said, I'm not very active at the nexus anymore, but I always much prefered nexus over ModDB because I hated ModDB's interface and really enjoyed the Nexus community. ModDB has improved over the last few years, it used to horrid like fileplanet. It is so terribly sad to hear that, though, about contributors being banned.
Heh, maybe the good folks from Nexus migrated to ModDB over the past few years.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Ixamyakxim: Just, you know... make sure you ask the right question.
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Tarnicus: You mean "What do you get when you multiply six by nine?" isn't the right question? :P
you mean 7*6? or are you having a laugh?
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vulchor: Oh... as I said, I'm not very active at the nexus anymore, but I always much prefered nexus over ModDB because I hated ModDB's interface and really enjoyed the Nexus community. ModDB has improved over the last few years, it used to horrid like fileplanet. It is so terribly sad to hear that, though, about contributors being banned.
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Ragnarblackmane: Heh, maybe the good folks from Nexus migrated to ModDB over the past few years.
That's very likely! I certainly hope so, that'd make me happy. I'll still get my TES and Fallout mods from Nexus, as I love the integration and doubt that any other resource will collect the sheer number of mods from there. But I've been getting my Crusader Kings mods from ModDB lately.
Post edited June 26, 2014 by vulchor
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