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amok: it is not a He-Man series., but Masters of the Unverse. Teela's first appareance was in 1981 in the He-Man and the Masters of the Universe series. (notice the 'and' in this title)
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Orkhepaj: are you sure about that?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
You know, for all the shit some of us are giving the new Masters of the Universe, I have to say - at least it's not Blade Runner: Black Lotus. It's quite astounding how terrible and un-blade runner that looks.
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Orkhepaj: are you sure about that?
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amok: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
nope it is not only my opinion, it is the guy's opinion who is the story editor for this show, so you are just wrong as usual
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Breja: You know, for all the shit some of us are giving the new Masters of the Universe, I have to say - at least it's not Blade Runner: Black Lotus. It's quite astounding how terrible and un-blade runner that looks.
why is it Blade Runner :D cause she is running with a blade :D
what else do you want from Blade Runner ? :D
looks horrible indeed
Post edited July 27, 2021 by Orkhepaj
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Breja: And now, just for fun, I'll fix the new Masters of the Universe. It's laughably simple, really.
Have what is the first episode be the fifth episode. Start out with four episodes of "normal" He-Man adventures. Establish, for new audience, the status quo before you make a big deal of changing it. Give the long time fans a dose of what they waited for before you pull the rug. Establish why Teela would feel so betrayed. Better yet - have her learn He-Man's identity before the final episode, say in episode 3 or 4, so her tantrum doesn't come at the moment of everyone's grief, making her instantly unlikeable. Instead, if she leaves understandably pissed off before the big battle, she'd have a real arc, fighting her sense of guilt for not being there for the big fight, while the others would have a good reason to feel bad about the secret, since keeping it broke the fellowship at a crucial moment (unlike now, where it didn't really matter). And then you end the first part of the season with He-Man seemingly dead after he and Skeletor had tons of screen time, and intead of a disappointing, rug-pulling premiere you've got a Best of Both Worlds level cliffhanger. There. I fixed your show, Kevin Smith.

Yeah, cool. The only problem Kevin Smith wouldn't listen to you and instead took directions from the likes of
Ted Biaselli, who thinks that two white men in the cast is already too much and doens't believe he can introduce new characters without people hating them
After all, Smith already had chosen Biaselli over Rob David - an experienced writer and expert in He-Man lore.
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Oddeus: Regarding Teelas haircut, I don´t see it as "feminist". It´s more of a "rogue" haircut, emphasizing the turning away from her old beliefs and going her own way.
That's one and the same. "Going her own way" through a haircut is exactly the trend for modern activists. Simply cutting her hair short (Furiosa style) would be enough to show that Teela became ground to earth warrior. But instead, they made this nonsensical hair lock to emphasize rebellion against "old ways".
Post edited July 27, 2021 by LootHunter
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LootHunter: Yeah, cool. The only problem Kevin Smith wouldn't listen to you
No shit :P

I just meant to show how easily this series could have been improved (in my opinion) without even changing the basic premise.
Still have not completely made up my mind about it. I guess I won't as long as its in a IMO questionable cliffhanger.

Initially I was sold to the idea of a "Metal MOTU Teela" show. I love that character. I think my biggest problem is the depiction. Its a bit weird to see her in that washed up look that she would not would get caught up dead in if she was more herself. Sure, I did not expected her to run around in a Taarna armor of course. But she does has a cool fitting to the setting heroic look. Even multiple variations of it over the decades. Even in the first episode. I guess that together with her un-teela attitude is my biggest issue (Although SMGs good voice-work did helped overlook some of it). Most other issues I could have are pending depending on how it will proceed.
Sometimes, the plot becomes vague, boring than the original and usually they try to add corny jokes and scenes which end up being cringe sometimes. One last thing, when the original star actor is not in the remake and instead, some other actor takes their role but do not have the same charm it once had.
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Falci: But I don't think it would be unthinkable that the son of a man, who was led to believe he was the most legendary absolutely powerful being in the universe from a young age (and yet be powerless to save his mother), who murdered absolutely everyone and everything he knew and loved, including children, because he had a bunch of bad dreams about his wife and child dying, would consider in any way a valid option to kill the nephew he's being training and nurturing from a young age, because he had a bad feeling the spoiled little brat would turn evil.
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Breja: I think given what we've seen of Luke in the original trilogy it's entirely unthinkable. After everything Vder did, he saw good in him. He refused to strike down even the Emperor himself in anger. And now he would consider killing an as-of-yet innocent kid? No way.

Now, with some skillful writing and enough time it might perhaps be possible to bring Luke to that point. But presenting it to us as a done deal like that? And after they did have a whole previous movie they could have used for that, but instead they wasted it on remaking A New Hope? Nope. Sorry. That's just bad writing.

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You know what, I watched the scene again, turns out we're both wrong. Luke went in to check the darkness he had sensed in Ben's heart and was scared shit to realize that it was already all dark. He reacted by instinctively lighting up his lightsaber. As he realized "Dude, what the fuck you're doing?" and became ashamed, his nephew woke up and saw only his uncle trying to murder him. Which is exactly what the audience seems to have seen as well. XD Less lazy writing, more lazy watching.

And, hey, if he could beat the crap out of the dad he was trying to save before coming to his senses and throwing his light saber away, he could easily had a bad reaction to his nephew's internal darkness before coming to his senses and turning the damned thing off.

Anyway, about Masters of the Universe, I think we may get to see something close to the Intergalactic Skeletor figure from the MotU Classics series (itself based on Skeletor's look at the start of The New Adventures of He-man). It occurred to me because I remembered seeing that figure and the bio ir comes with online some time ago (and checked and confirmed again) and it was a more cybernetic Skeletor who had healed himself after a battle with Hordak using some sort of technovirus. And, guess what, we have a technovirus subplot going on in the show as well. But I don't think we'll get Hordak, though.

Now... I'm not really excited to see ponytail and jeans He-man in the show (the figure itself is Galactic Protector He-man), but I think it could work as an older and better trained Adam. The figure's bio described itself as He-man after Adam had decided to abandon his original identity and become He-man permanently.

Well, we'll see. :)
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Falci: He reacted by instinctively lighting up his lightsaber.

Which is exactly what the audience seems to have seen as well. XD Less lazy writing, more lazy watching.
No. That's exactly what I saw and exactly what I find unthinkable for Luke. Pulling a lightsaber on a defenseless sleeping kid, acting just on instinct? Seriously?! The whole point of Jedi is NOT to act on instincts and emotions.

By the way, the same applies to Teela and Randor - they were acting on pure emotions, which doesn't make sense for people who due to their own position have to be able to think rationally under stress.

P.S. I apologize for barging in again. I really wanted to end the conversation but then you accused me of "lazy watching" and I wanted to clear that.
Post edited July 28, 2021 by LootHunter
There are a number of issues... lack of both talent and skill... inability (and disinterest) in storytelling... (due to the lack of both) latching onto post-modernist aesthetic...

but the most problematic thing is...

... having worked rather deeply in this field...

... all movies and series are beholden to money...

... and that money is flowing mainly from a couple of sources...

... and these sources want certain ideas and themes incorporated. Period.

Movies and tv are no longer catering to a Western audience. They are catering ONLY to the financiers.

That's why there are so many failures in the Western market but media keeps moving further from what they want to see. The customer is no longer "right"... only the people with the purse strings.

... and they have an agenda.

It's almost like the "money" is saying "destroy your mythology and we'll give you money. Make people hate you and we'll give you more money."

Having lived in this industry for decades, the current state is beyond depressing... and kinda frightening
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With some exceptions, I typically find that the backlash toward remakes or sequels tends to be based off of nostalgia and resistance to change rather than legitimate criticism.
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kai2: There are a number of issues... lack of both talent and skill... inability (and disinterest) in storytelling... (due to the lack of both) latching onto post-modernist aesthetic...

but the most problematic thing is...

... having worked rather deeply in this field...

... all movies and series are beholden to money...

... and that money is flowing mainly from a couple of sources...

... and these sources want certain ideas and themes incorporated. Period.

Movies and tv are no longer catering to a Western audience. They are catering ONLY to the financiers.

That's why there are so many failures in the Western market but media keeps moving further from what they want to see. The customer is no longer "right"... only the people with the purse strings.

... and they have an agenda.

It's almost like the "money" is saying "destroy your mythology and we'll give you money. Make people hate you and we'll give you more money."

Having lived in this industry for decades, the current state is beyond depressing... and kinda frightening
I think your points are valid for MAINSTREAM stuff. The indie scene in all things from films, animation, comics and games cater better to those of us in the west looking for alternatives to what's being pushed.

I can't speak for everyone but for myself the moment I walked away from chasing mainstream content in the late 90's the better off I've been in terms of customer satisfaction from smaller makers.
Post edited July 28, 2021 by Arcadius-8606
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JakobFel: With some exceptions, I typically find that the backlash toward remakes or sequels tends to be based off of nostalgia and resistance to change rather than legitimate criticism.
But backlash for excessive change and lack of nostalgia content IS legitimate criticism. What's the point in watching (reading or playing) the installment of your favorite franchise if no things you loved in that franchise aren't there?
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JakobFel: With some exceptions, I typically find that the backlash toward remakes or sequels tends to be based off of nostalgia and resistance to change rather than legitimate criticism.
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LootHunter: But backlash for excessive change and lack of nostalgia content IS legitimate criticism. What's the point in watching (reading or playing) the installment of your favorite franchise if no things you loved in that franchise aren't there?
Not really. Remakes don't HAVE to be nostalgic or stay exactly the same. In some cases, they're meant to be a reimagining for a modern audience. That's not a bad thing. Now, I'm not saying ALL remakes are that way, sometimes the changes are made for political reasons as the Masters of the Universe remake appears to be. However, I find that in most cases, the criticism is literally based upon nostalgic resistance to anything new. The Star Wars sequels are a prime example of that.
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LootHunter: But backlash for excessive change and lack of nostalgia content IS legitimate criticism. What's the point in watching (reading or playing) the installment of your favorite franchise if no things you loved in that franchise aren't there?
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JakobFel: Not really. Remakes don't HAVE to be nostalgic or stay exactly the same. In some cases, they're meant to be a reimagining for a modern audience.
Again. What's the point of the remake if it doesn't cater to existing fans? If you make something for a modern audience, who doesn't know and doesn't care for a franchise in the first place - what's the point in attaching your creation to that franchise?

UPD. I'm not saying that new installments of the franchise should be exactly the same, but they definitely should retain core features. Because, again, what's the point of introducing an established character, who doesn't resemble that character at all?
Post edited July 28, 2021 by LootHunter