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Antimateria: Wait what? The new netflix thing doesn't have He-man? Wasn't he in the trailer.
died in the first episode :P
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Another die-hard Motu fan here :) I watched the first five episodes and like them so far. I´m with Falci here. I see no problem with Teela taking the lead role for a few episodes. After all she is an established character, and I hope that other beloved characters get more screen time later on.
Regarding Teelas haircut, I don´t see it as "feminist". It´s more of a "rogue" haircut, emphasizing the turning away from her old beliefs and going her own way.
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LootHunter: Teela wasn't a child. She was a seasoned warrior, experienced enough to be promoted to the "Man-at-arms" position.
She didn't need to be, and I could go on about a lot of people I know who didn't deal well with the loss of a loved one as adults, but I won't.

This is the continuation of a series where the biggest consequence of the war against evil was being annoyed by Skeletor's antics. This was "the final battle", He-man and Skeletor both died (and Adam and Moss-man as well). That's a HUGE change in possible consequences of that struggle. Also, see the part of my text about a lot of the central theme of the series being about she not feeling ready to step into what she perceives as being someone else's shoes and how that impacts her sense of self. There was no immediate threat to the kingdom and magic dying off was still some time from being an urgent matter (and she didn't even realize it until Evil-Lynn and the Sorceress came to her).

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LootHunter: What "everything"? Adam being He-man was the only thing she discovered. And this discovery hasn't changed much. It definitely wasn't on the "big evil is your father" or "you were manipulated all along" level. Yet, Teela left the entire kingdom to its fate, when it was needed her the most (with magic dying and stuff). It's one thing to have psychological issues and struggle with them and another just indulge in your own petty grudges at the expense of actual lives of actual people that depend on you.
She also discovered that everybody but her (and the king) knew it. Of the core characters of the show, the ones that were always battling Skeletor in all episodes, she was the only one who didn't know. "You're good enough to be Man-at-Arms, but not good enough to know the truth about your best friend and the man you look up the most to." - That hurts. Specially if you consider the way she found out.

After the time skip, we're shown that she was helping out people as a mercenary, which she considered her own way and true to herself. One can even argue that being among the people and not in a palace was a better way of doing things.

Otherwise, if you never had psychological issues and struggles impact your ability to attend to your responsibilities, man, I envy you. Seriously. But this is another discussion entirely.
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Falci: Well, as someone who grew up with the original series and its reboots, I do like it so far. I watched it in a single sitting, something I rarely do with anything these days. And I liked that, despite being darker than all other animated versions, it is still much lighter than most adult oriented reimaginings/updates to characters from my childhood.

That said, I do think it will make it more clear who it was made for in Part 2. And it may happen to be the wrong target, I don't know, but I'm not very worried about it.

I've seen all the frustrated comments, but it's hard to say how many people are actually angry about it. People can be incredibly vocal online, even when they're not the majority. So it's hard to gauge how many people are actually angry (for me, at least).

Thing is, people seem to be oblivious to how storytelling works, or seem to be playing dumb because it fits their general agenda of being angry at shows for not being about exactly what they want.

Storywise, the show has been great at examining what happens when the hero (and villain) goes missing/dies and how the world carries on without it. Teela being at the center of the story is just the most obvious choice. If this was Batman, Dick Grayson would be the main character. But this is He-man. Robin just happens to be a woman*. And Teela is specially good for the role because she also happened to be the only one oblivious to He-man being Adam in the main cast and she's the sorceress daughter and heir, but doesn't know it. So you also get a good story about a character's vision of their world crumbling as well. It says right in the title: It's about the Masters of the Universe (Teela being the most proeminent character from the bunch with lot's of story beats to visit that also happen to connect directly to the show's greater lore) and about Revelations.

I do have some expectations for Part 2, from what I've seen so far:

I'm pretty sure Adam will feature more proeminently on Part 2, though probably in a more supportive capacity. I even expect him to lecture Teela about knowing who you are/being true to yourself when you're required to take upon a role of greater responsability (directly connecting to Teela's shown fear of disappearing into a role of greater importance and Adam's preference to being himself other than He-man in the afterlife). Yes, Adam, the teenager, is the dude with his shit together. Teela, the girl, is the one trying to grow and come to terms with reality and her responsabilities. And why she was kept in the dark is likely to be a plot point in Part 2 as well.

We'll probably see about as much He-man as in Part 1, but in a more active role and less as a flashback.

I'm guessing we'll see a Warrior/Sorceress version of Teela by the end of the show and she'll probably stand as an equal to He-man when fighting and defeating Skeletor.

Evil-Lynn is likely to help the heroes, secretly at first, fully by the end of the story. I wouldn't be surprised if she was the one to kill/banish Skeletor in the end, after he is defeated and removed from his powers. I expect the Sorceress or Duncan doing a heroic sacrifice early on (possibly leading into another they-died-but-got-better moment).

I also expect Orko to make a comeback. I haven't seen a definitive death with permanent consequences so far and Orko does not seem like the character to choose for that role and so early in the story. Yes, Adam and Moss-man died, but later were revealed to be a literal door away from being back into the land of the living. Roboto is a robot. I'd be surprised if at least one mention of rebuilding him doesn't happen by the end of the story. Adam being hurt at the end was a great way to do a cliffhanger, but I'm guessing the show won't even spend a lot of time healing him back (it could be a major plot point, but I think escaping the cluches of Skeletor will probably take precedence).

Again, these are all wild guesses based on what I've noticed from the story and what I know/understand from storytelling. We could end up wildly different things, some incredibly better, some way worse. But I don't think the show was made just to "destroy childhoods and satisfy woke agendas". As I said early on, I think the show will make it more clear who it was made for in Part 2, but so far, I haven't felt it wasn't made for me.

* In case you are thinking: "well, should have been about Duncan/Man-at-Arms then", no, he is Alfred, not Robin.
I also like the new series. Funfact: 20% of customers who buyed MotU Toys, were female in the 80s. That was the reason, why She-Ra was made, as a SpinOff. I never liked She-Ra. My favourites are: Skeletor, Evil Lyn, Sorceress, Orko and Panthor. I still have an old Panthor Action Figure, with Furr.

For the second part, of the show. I hope that Orko will come back.
Btw, his Fight with Scare Glow was epic. I really love such character moments. When someone discover his true potential.
The entire episode was full of Moria (Lotr) references. Wizard vs Balrog. ;-)
The entire setting *Subternia*. The Portal to Subternia. Look at it again. Definetly similiar to the gate of Moria.

For the final Clash. I really hope for one epic eternian battle.
Skelegod should be much more powerful, than He-Man or every single of the former Champions.
Because he is more powerfull, in his natural Form. Than Prince Adam.

I would like to see.
Teela, as the new Sorceress. King Grayskull , He-Ro and all the former heroes. + a reborn He-Man.
Against Skelegod.

Can't wait for the second half. <3
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Antimateria: Wait what? The new netflix thing doesn't have He-man? Wasn't he in the trailer.
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Orkhepaj: died in the first episode :P
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Childhood ruined.
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Orkhepaj: Again, another series He-Man, where the protagonist was changed to a female after the death of the hero the series should be all about. Or just pushed into the back, not even a support role like Picard.

Does anybody like this?
I see the "professional" critics love it. Not so much the viewers.
Hold on, so this the Netflix series Heman that just came out? And heman is t the lead? Oh, I was going to watch that next as it looked good. Won’t bother now.

Edit: so I just read a write up, no heman, no skeletor, good and bad side both female. So much for inclusivity, it’s simply swung the pendulum right the other direction.
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Narieme: I also like the new series. Funfact: 20% of customers who buyed MotU Toys, were female in the 80s. That was the reason, why She-Ra was made, as a SpinOff. I never liked She-Ra. My favourites are: Skeletor, Evil Lyn, Sorceress, Orko and Panthor. I still have an old Panthor Action Figure, with Furr.

For the second part, of the show. I hope that Orko will come back.
Btw, his Fight with Scare Glow was epic. I really love such character moments. When someone discover his true potential.
The entire episode was full of Moria (Lotr) references. Wizard vs Balrog. ;-)
The entire setting *Subternia*. The Portal to Subternia. Look at it again. Definetly similiar to the gate of Moria.

For the final Clash. I really hope for one epic eternian battle.
Skelegod should be much more powerful, than He-Man or every single of the former Champions.
Because he is more powerfull, in his natural Form. Than Prince Adam.

I would like to see.
Teela, as the new Sorceress. King Grayskull , He-Ro and all the former heroes. + a reborn He-Man.
Against Skelegod.

Can't wait for the second half. <3
I have a He-man from the MotU Classics line in my shelf. :)

Yeah, there were a lot of good moments in the series so far. A lot of stuff from the lore that had been explored elsewhere but never in the original series itself too.

For the final clash, this being Netflix and all, I hope they don't go full Voltron reboot on this one. The scale of that one was so huge that it lost a lot of impact.

I think Teela with the power of the Sorceress will either be close to one of her classic figures (with snake motifs) or something new resembling that Champion character in Preternia who was a woman (which was just a warrior-like Sorceress, but still).

Let's hope for the best! :D
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Falci: This is the continuation of a series where the biggest consequence of the war against evil was being annoyed by Skeletor's antics.
No. It's not. No more than Sonic the Hedgehog is a continuation of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. Revelations is darker (a bit darker) reimagining of 1980-s He-man, with people being able to be hurt or even die. Sure, maybe none of the core characters died until this point, but there is no reason to believe that no one ever has been seriously hurt before.

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Falci: Also, see the part of my text about a lot of the central theme of the series being about she not feeling ready to step into what she perceives as being someone else's shoes and how that impacts her sense of self.
That's not how it was shown in the episode. And do you honestly think that Teela wouldn't confess to anyone (Adam or her father) if she had second thoughts about her promotion?

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Falci: There was no immediate threat to the kingdom and magic dying off was still some time from being an urgent matter (and she didn't even realize it until Evil-Lynn and the Sorceress came to her).
There are still villains on the loose, the kingdom lost its heir and the most powerful artifact for forces of light is gone. Do you honestly think it's time to throw a fit because of a secret not told to you?

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Falci: She also discovered that everybody but her (and the king) knew it. Of the core characters of the show, the ones that were always battling Skeletor in all episodes, she was the only one who didn't know.
Because there were only four characters, including Cringer (who himself was part of transformation). Marlena figured Adam being He-man on her own.

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Falci: After the time skip, we're shown that she was helping out people as a mercenary, which she considered her own way and true to herself. One can even argue that being among the people and not in a palace was a better way of doing things.
That's not how it was being shown. Especially, since Teela was *mercenary*. She worked for pay, not to help people.

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Falci: "You're good enough to be Man-at-Arms, but not good enough to know the truth about your best friend and the man you look up the most to." - That hurts. Specially if you consider the way she found out.

Otherwise, if you never had psychological issues and struggles impact your ability to attend to your responsibilities, man, I envy you. Seriously. But this is another discussion entirely.
Again. There is a difference between struggling psychological issues that impact your abilities and just disregard your responsibilities altogether. I am an ordinary person, so it doesn't make sense to compare me to people whose entire life was under stress. However, I can name a few characters, who had issues but still pressed on in their duties:

1. Luke Skywalker didn't just give up upon learning Darth Vader is his father, but trained himself to confront him.
2. Goliath continued to care for his clan, even after the love of his life betrayed him. (Gargoyles tv series)
3. Terry McGuinness performed as Batman quite well.
4. Miles Morales after the death of his uncle Aron (they were rather close) got his sh!t together rather fast.
5. Mark Grayson continued to be Invincible despite revelation about his dad.
And I can go on and on with examples of people who had a traumatic experience but got their sh!t together and pressed on with their duites instead of throwing a fit and dropping off.
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Orkhepaj: Again, another series He-Man, where the protagonist was changed to a female after the death of the hero the series should be all about. Or just pushed into the back, not even a support role like Picard.
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it is not a He-Man series., but Masters of the Unverse. Teela's first appareance was in 1981 in the He-Man and the Masters of the Universe series. (notice the 'and' in this title)
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LootHunter: ... snip ...
From wikipedia: A sequel to the 1983–1985 Filmation series He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, Revelation focuses on the unresolved storylines of the original 1983 TV series, picking up many of the characters' journeys where they left off.[1][2]

It's a bit darker, because we're old now, but so far, it hasn't been that dark. But, again, this is an ongoing series and I could be wrong indeed.

Teela's fears are shown in episode 4, when she faces Scare Glow. That's why I've got that perspective on her actions throughout the series so far.

About the villains, I think the point is that without Skelletor, they're way less of a threat. There were also a lot of other Masters of the Universe implied to have kept their positions in the kingdom after her desertion, so, for her, and, probably, the king, that wasn't so much of a tragedy and "people surely are going to die in my absence". Until the Sorceress called her to help recover the swords, she didn't really believe magic was integral and a necessity to the existence of the world.

Furthermore, she felt betrayed by her closest friends and father. Those only 4 people were everything for her, her family.

I admit that "mercenary" is not necessarily a good thing, but what little we're shown, does support the idea that she had principles and people's interest at heart (for example, she pays a merchant for the damages to his goods when she throws Stinkor into it).

As for dealing with trauma, I can say this: as different people deal with trauma differently in real life, so do fictional characters, with them having the benefit of said "way of dealing" serving a purpose in the story. From what I've seen and interpreted so far, MotU Revelations seems to be about Teela coming to terms filling a role she does not want for herself and understanding that she'll not have to stop being herself because of that.

I'm an ordinary person as well, surrounded by people who are too. Anyone who has dealt with depression (and I did and sometimes still feel like I do), knows at least a bit, what is to be under constant stress. It doesn't compare with military life and being responsible for other people's life in the battlefield, for sure, but these stories usually portray or at least try to portray these characters' struggles with what normal people might feel in their daily lives.

I can be reading too much into the series. Maybe I'm misinterpreting details. Maybe I'm giving it more credit than it's due. Maybe it will disappoint me when Part 2 comes along. Maybe it will be awesome but completely different from what I expect and have interpreted so far. Maybe it will be terrible.

Either way, I'm excited to find out when it comes.
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Falci: snip
I think you make a lot of good points. I'm not changing my mind about the series, but you do make a lot of sense.

If you take away the panic about politics and "woke-ness" (which is also not happening without reason, but that's a whole different can of worms I don't want to get into here), I think there's a lot in the new series that can reasonably disappoint, as it did me, but I can see why you'd be on board with it.

For me, it's just that I hoped for a fun, lighthearted sword & sorcery series about He-Man and Skeletor (voiced by Mark Hamil! - that's a big draw for me). What I got, is a series mostly about a world where He-Man is gone, Skeletor is gone, and magic is gone, and everyone is very angsty. It's sort of like ordering pizza and getting sushi... I don't care if the sushi is great, I don't like sushi and didn't ask for it :D

And maybe it's just because I'm not really a He-Man fan, but I just feel like it's a bizarre choice of an old cartoon to make a "grown-up" sequel to with a long, serialised story. Something like Pirates of Dark Water would make way more sense - that was already a somewhat more serious show, with an unfinished over-arcing narrative and a lot of great worldbuilding in place.
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Breja: I think you make a lot of good points. I'm not changing my mind about the series, but you do make a lot of sense.

If you take away the panic about politics and "woke-ness" (which is also not happening without reason, but that's a whole different can of worms I don't want to get into here), I think there's a lot in the new series that can reasonably disappoint, as it did me, but I can see why you'd be on board with it.

For me, it's just that I hoped for a fun, lighthearted sword & sorcery series about He-Man and Skeletor (voiced by Mark Hamil! - that's a big draw for me). What I got, is a series mostly about a world where He-Man is gone, Skeletor is gone, and magic is gone, and everyone is very angsty. It's sort of like ordering pizza and getting sushi... I don't care if the sushi is great, I don't like sushi and didn't ask for it :D

And maybe it's just because I'm not really a He-Man fan, but I just feel like it's a bizarre choice of an old cartoon to make a "grown-up" sequel to with a long, serialised story. Something like Pirates of Dark Water would make way more sense - that was already a somewhat more serious show, with an unfinished over-arcing narrative and a lot of great worldbuilding in place.
Thanks. :)

I know that this has been a darker MotU story than usual, but I'm glad it hasn't been as dark as some of the other reinterpretation of characters from my childhood.

From wikipedia's He-man and the Masters of the Universe page: "It is also confirmed a direct family oriented Netflix Original He-Man and the Masters of the Universe series is in the works. It is reportedly being made by Mattel Television and DreamWorks Animation Television for a CG-animated revival to the original He-Man series with new storylines and character takes. It is currently unknown if it will be connected to She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, or if there will also be versions of She-Ra characters.[37][38]"

So, hopefully, this new one will be more aligned with what you want. :)

I'd also love a Pirates of the Dark Water revival/ending series. :D
Now after watching it I didn't hate it as much I thought I would but I'm not in love either. Though the style was good and looked great on dolby vision. =P Maybe the continuation will be epic.
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LootHunter: The change itself is not a problem:
Yes it is. Wrecking He-Man, or any other beloved property, for reasons of creating pro-SJW propaganda, is always a horrendous problem.

And contrary to what the rest of that quoted post says, drawing Teela, and Evil-Lyn, and all the other female characters, to look like an obscenely hideous, extremely ugly, steroid-taking, masculine man, that is also an equally large part of the problem.

Not to mention how they write all the male characters to be weak, ineffective bumbling fools with no agency, who are nothing but side characters and stooges for the "powerful" female characters who rule over them as their supposedly wise & benevolent masters, which is, in other words, a clear manifestation of extreme anti-male sexism.

Hopefully eventually Hollywood will go broke as a result of having converted almost all of their newly-made products into disgusting SJW propaganda.
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LootHunter: ..snip...
1. Luke Skywalker didn't just give up upon learning Darth Vader is his father, but trained himself to confront him.
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3. Terry McGuinness performed as Batman quite well.
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I already answered you above, but I was re-reading some of the posts in this thread and, upon re-reading yours, felt the desire to comment on these two particular examples you gave, and they were good, really, but:

1. There's a point in The Last Jedi where Luke is explaining to Rey what happened between him and Ben that drove him into the dark side, and it's visited a couple of times before we see all of it for real. I've seen people claim that it was this ridiculous out of character moment for Luke, but I like the moment because it shows a man struggling desperately with his own status as a legend and feeling unable to live up to it. He's sensing a growing darkness in Ben and can't find a way to stop it. He's anticipating everything he, his family and friends had gone through, all the wars and suffering happening again. He's feeling that he's a failure as a legend, as a hero, as a teacher and as a father (figure). He can stop it all if only he can find the courage to do what he knows is the absolute wrong thing to do: kill Ben. He knows it is wrong, but the very fact that he was tempted, is what triggers Ben's ultimate descent to the dark side.

It's a difficult moment for the audience to process, because so far, Luke had been depicted as an optimistic young hero, eager to adventure and dead set into saving his father and saving the universe. Worse, while we know for sure Kylo Ren is a whiny asshole, we never saw that Ben Solo really was one. We're just told that he had dark tendencies and that Snoke was influencing him.

Ultimately, Luke's faith in himself is restored by Rey and Yoda and he literally sacrifice's himself being the absolute powerhouse legend that people perceived him to be.

2. There's that Justice League episode were Terry discovers that he's Bruce's son and seeks Amanda Waller to learn the truth. He struggles greatly with the idea that he was just a copy of his father and was bound to make the same choices and end in the very same place. Specially, because he had been making the very same choices up until that point (AKA, becoming Batman). Ultimately, he comes to terms with the fact that he is not his father and some similar choices, and even inheriting his mantle, didn't mean he wasn't free to make his own and seek his own path in life.

I love both moments and I think this new MotU Revelation series is going for a similar plot with Teela and how she perceives becoming Man-at-Arms, but also, how she has a difficult time adjusting to the idea that her normal, fallible friend, is indeed the Legendary Hero she looks up to (and how being a "legendary" someone doesn't mean you have to be perfect or either someone else entirely).