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adaliabooks: snip

That probably makes me sound quite prejudiced, ...

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No... just human.


On the downvotes, there is obviously a political element to it which each of us will have noticed it on himself, and therefore will believe is caused at least partially by his political opponents. So the left guys are right that they were downvoted by the right ones, and the right ones are right they got downvoted by the left ones. And they all think the others started it.

That said, I do not underestimate the amount of apolitical social pressure in this community. I believe there is a substantial group of people who do downvote and often what they feel are indecent or aggressive comments - regardless of the politics. Let's call it the old geezer factor?

Bottom line, it's easy for me to assume I'm getting politically motivated downvotes, BUT maybe it's just people that think I'm being too abrasive, and it's not actually political at all...


On originalism - because going straight into moral judgements is a fool's errand IMO - my invitation to Hedwards applies to you. Feel free to comment why originalism strikes you as so intellectually dubious. Similar historiographical methods are broadly employed outside jurisprudence, the relevance of precedent is almost a universal cultural norm, and considerations of creator intent should be natural.

You wouldn't be letting your dislike of the conclusions color your view on the premises heh? :)
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drealmer7: snip
Bulworth was stylistically a very unusual movie as well. Do not diminish the relevance of aesthetics and style in preventing it from reaching a broader audience. Certainly I recall a feel good movie about a regular Joe becoming president and that seems to be an almost folksy classic?

As for Saddam and Osama, I made the point in passing earlier that actual situations of war are obviously exempted from a moral limitation on wanting someone else to die. No hypocrisy required, just a bit of ... discrimination. ;)
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ZFR: snip ... Experience tells me nothing good comes out of it and it's generally not worth the time.
We get to know each other better ZFR. Some people will not like us, but one also makes friends like this ;)
Post edited February 15, 2016 by Brasas
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dtgreene: The original authors of the US Constitution didn't seem to think so.
A President must be at least 35 years old. Compare that to 25 years for the House and 30 years for the Senate.
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drealmer7: except ZFR's statement is full of fallacy

older doesn't mean wiser

younger doesn't mean hastier
Of course not. That was not a serious statement that there should be any age limits, but just to show how each of the three branches needs a different mentality.

EDIT: as a side point, POTUS is not strictly executive, but more a legislature-executive fusion. Again, just a minor issue.

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drealmer7: old to me means more likely to be stubborn set in their ways thinking they know better than anyone younger than they are and not budging their views no matter how much things in the world have changed"
Case in point. This is exactly the kind of mentality for making judgment on existing laws, but with absolutely no power to change/create ones. If they're stubborn and set in their ways, they can't be bribed or threatened.
And if full separation of power was implemented then they must judge according to what the legislature (who are not of this type of mentality) have made.
Problems arise because the judiciary (and in many cases the executive; but that's a separate problem) encroach on legislative territory.
Post edited February 15, 2016 by ZFR
<accidental double post, sorry>
Post edited February 15, 2016 by ZFR
Has the conservative hunter general replied to my post yet?
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budejovice: I no longer have any reason to keep my politics to myself. Bring it.

Where is the cream of the crop of the GOG Conservative Intellectual A-List Heavyweights, like Leonardo & Shadowstalker?
Still searching?
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Shadowstalker16: Has the conservative hunter general replied to my post yet?
Because the original post is "low rated", the topic appears as read even when there are no new posts, making it annoying for those who are actually interested in following the topic.

This is one of the many flaws in the way this forum works.
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Shadowstalker16: Has the conservative hunter general replied to my post yet?
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dtgreene: Because the original post is "low rated", the topic appears as read even when there are no new posts, making it annoying for those who are actually interested in following the topic.

This is one of the many flaws in the way this forum works.
I quoted him, and that should leave a big, annoying ''1'' near his account on the top bar.
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Brasas: That said, I do not underestimate the amount of apolitical social pressure in this community. I believe there is a substantial group of people who do downvote and often what they feel are indecent or aggressive comments - regardless of the politics. Let's call it the old geezer factor?

Bottom line, it's easy for me to assume I'm getting politically motivated downvotes, BUT maybe it's just people that think I'm being too abrasive, and it's not actually political at all...
Whoa! Someone understood!
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Bookwyrm627: Whoa! Someone understood!
Do I win a prize? ;)

Despite believing "tone" downvotes are frequently an intolerant overreaction and should in principle be avoided (I do not use them myself at all) I actually usually assume when I get downvoted it's rather because of tone.

That said, it is obvious enough for those that participate in political topics that downvotes and upvotes due to partisanship are happening - regardless of how politely and dispassionately opinions are expressed.
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drealmer7: from senator Elizabeth Warren (and if you are disregarding what follows simply because of a person's name, you're doing it wrong):

"The sudden death of Justice Scalia creates an immediate vacancy on the most important court in the United States.

Senator McConnell is right that the American people should have a voice in the selection of the next Supreme Court justice. In fact, they did — when President Obama won the 2012 election by five million votes.

Article II Section 2 of the Constitution says the President of the United States nominates justices to the Supreme Court, with the advice and consent of the Senate. I can't find a clause that says "...except when there's a year left in the term of a Democratic President."

Senate Republicans took an oath just like Senate Democrats did. Abandoning the duties they swore to uphold would threaten both the Constitution and our democracy itself. It would also prove that all the Republican talk about loving the Constitution is just that — empty talk."
You know the Democrats have done the exact same thing right. Senator Obama did the same exact thing with Justice Alito and Joe Biden has made clear back in the day why they shouldn't fill a Supreme Court vacancy (1992?). Yeah, they should fill it - but don't try to claim any sort of moral superiority when you do the exact same thing ya know?