Once Crimea is firmly under Russian control, they'll be as miserable as the rest of the country. Putin may get his military base and pipelines, but he won't have a happy populace on his hands. Also, why not a propose a national gay day for Russia, where everyone cross dresses for one day. Just to piss him off.

Man, i simply asked you to SHOW my POST you are debating, so i could answer you, as from what you wrote, you're definitely answered not to me at all. And im really sorry what it took so long time to fix, and wasnt fixed even now. From your post "debating" me, its looks like as you even didnt saw what i wrote at all, if im wrong here - show it. And im stated what it could be MINE mistake from the start, not accused you blightly, as you did. It lookd essentially as "im confess what i dont bothered to read the topic at all, but i have a word to say for you, pesky Russians, take this and try to disprove". And yes, i cant see it as positive, sorry.

You have it really with the kids. ;) As for the research, it's a bit too much work to do it everytime. Nobody here does it all the time.

But you have me. Okay, transparent boxes can be seen as anti fraud. However it doesn't change all the rest, does it.

Where did i sayd what it change the rest? I sayd only about transparent boxes what are bullshit as anti-fraud according to you. And not only by you, but also by some expert for trolls here. But you hadnt answered the question what was right after "ballot boxes", if you dont want, no problem, really.

There is a language barrier here. I find half your posts unintelligible. I don't know how else to say this: you did not directly post about Iraq or American invasions that I have seen in recent history. I have no post of yours to show you. I included you in my response to Rogor because you're also Russian and we were debating at the same time.

I don't know how else to say it. You have to let it go.

I won't respond again on this subject.

Currently the Russian economy is looking pretty weak (and it can be argued this is a major reason why Putin is now looking to expand Russian territory); if European countries stopped buying Russian oil and natural gas it would bring Russia's economy to its knees in no time. Additionally, if the foreign assets of Russian nationals were frozen then the elites in Russia would be calling for Putin's head (Putin's been trying to hedge against this by encouraging the repatriation of foreign assets, but so far not many are going along with this).

A large challenge, though, is the Russian people (as several posters in this thread have helpfully demonstrated). Putin's ramped up his propaganda machine over the last several years, with quite impressive results (in a Machiavellian way). Even if the Russian people were suffering significant economic hardships I'm not sure they wouldn't buy into the propaganda line that it was all just due to the West bullying Russia. Combine that with a desperate Putin and it could create a pretty dangerous situation. The main hope I see of Russia changing direction is if the elites and the FSB elements in the government get annoyed enough by the results of Putin's actions that they get him out of there; it would still probably result in another one of the old-guard taking charge, but hopefully one that's willing to reverse course on many of Putin's policies and perhaps allow a semi-functional democracy to start up again in Russia.

Just to clarify things. That is what you are calling now. Please, be more coherent when you trying to communicate with people, and do not defiantly try to present your likely inability to read as "finding other's post's unintelligible".

Posting 607 is pretty much you reversing everything shown on the pictures. Guys looking as dressed in their working clothes are "puppets bought by West" and the second picture "ordinary people" - no idea if you somehow "forgot" the sarcasm tag, but don't expect anyone here to consider your words as the truth.

... and yet again, you pose as an accused, innocent victim of a ruthless attack by StingingVelvet, even though it was explained why it came to that point and he apologised more than once.

Hope that explains enough why I feel that way about you.

Then maybe, just maybe, you should improve your intelligent communication instead of ridiculing others?

Russian separatists are burning Ukrainian books on streets of Kharkov.

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/445233169491443712/photo/1

But Ukrainians are fascists. Right.

The actual question is US following the mistake of UK in ww2, and wait too much, so be declared only the formal winner in result, with real winner being other country. Or it will actually prove what is able to learn on other's mistakes what was source of their modern glory (not the single one source ofc, and not omitting the accompanying hard work).

Well, man. Im sorta stunned what i have to explain it, i mean, surely i know about Poe's law, but when you are seeing it in work so well, especially in case of so crystally-clear-fat-sarcasm, and from people, who looks like to be able to write some sentient posts, and trying to analyze stuff etc - you really lose the hope in humanity. Im definitely was wrong in using too harsh words, but such arrogantly expressed naivety as was in his case - just was too much for me those time.
If this post was the only source of "feeling that way" for you, then thanks for explaining what you just like the "comment, than read" practice. But thanks for doing the some research at least by now.

Im definitely need to improve my "intilligent communication" skills, thats why im trying to follow the topic and hopefully at least slightly improve them in process. But its quite weird task for a language bearer in this case imho.

You are blaming the Putin's propaganda and its victims, but the same time happy to take absolutely bullshit for truth as in this case. And yes, when you take even less educated persons - you could start to air a crystal sarcasm about anything on news, and people will belive it. As you just prove it. And our media do.

Okay I try to answer the question even though I do not 100% understand it.

That's what I mean with lose face:

- fascists in Ukraine were actually much less important than we said, most demonstrators on Maidan were just people from the political center
- we invaded Crimea and brought it under our control with russian troops
- our troops were under disguise
- we heavily supported the uprising in Crimea
- we hastened the vote
- we intimidated a probably significant part of the voters
- the voters hadn't have enough time to think such a big step through thoroughly (by typical western standards)
- the question how to cope with the minorities there are totally unsolved and we didn't do anything to solve it
- the options in the vote were chosen so that both very likely end with the result of Crimea being part of Russia
- the options in the vote were not fair

Maybe there are major newspapers and television stations reporting such arguments and debate contributions and if so I take it back and congratulate Russia to a pluralistic society. But so far all the russian defense postings I have read (yours included) try to avoid all these points as much as possible. Actually I don't mind because I know the phenomenom from other discussions. It's just what I mean with losing face. Admitting it all might be totally wrong? .. instead it is showing greatest possible confidence. Typical for such situations. You see it everywhere.

From this sentence i got what you mean what the Russian side have to do something else to actually lose the face still. Question was:
":DarzaR: ...But im really curious about your version what else Russia should do to achieve that "lose face" status".
If "what else should do to achieve" is incorrect in English so much, so you prefer to answer to it with "what it had done" instead, please let me learn that hard language at least slightly better with correct phrase i should had use there.

"But so far all the russian defense postings I have read (yours included) try to avoid all these points as much as possible". - again, please, show at least once of such "included" post(s).

Well now that Russia has illegally annexed Crimea with the help of transparent voting boxes which ensured that everyone would vote as Russia wanted is the question what is Russia going to annex next. Already Putins minions are doing their work in Donetzk and preparing for another Russian invasion there. Reports now say that "Pro-russian" demonstrators attacked the main police station in Donetzk and the office of Attorney General and sacked them. You can see the endangered areas of Ukraine with a big Russian minority in the picture below colored red.
We all know who is the nazi here and that is not Ukraine in this case.

If russians really cared about Crimea they could have let them decide for themselves in which Country and system they want to live but that was unimportant there. There had to be 22.000 russian troops ensuring that people will vote for Russia.

True, the only problem what despite you know it, you also show unabilty to make a viable ground to your position on various things, and like to express the completely naive childish vision about many other things too. Thats what crush my heart. If you'd be just a some "always wrong" guy, it wouldnt be problem at all, but here you often weaken your position, because you're unable to prove it correctly and easily falls into even most ridiculous traps. Thus making your position looks as possibly falsificated and weak. If your general position somewhy was opposite - id be happy instead, essentially due to the same faults in defending it from you.