DavidG88: As far as Anita's videos, I think they have the potential to be quite harmful. For anyone familiar with the games she spotlights, maybe you can agree with her some of the time, as I do, but a lot of the time it's just a disconnect. She says things about some games wildly out of context, misrepresents them or devs. And for us it's fine. It's annoying for sure, but we know better. I think women can be represented better in games, & it's disappointing where she goes off misrepresenting games when there are real things to look at. But not everyone plays games, they wont recognize a misrepresentation when Anita gives one.
Right, it's so frustrating. For example, with the Witcher games, I really expected to find some kind of detailed laundry list of what she hates about it after seeing her tweet that the games are full of misogyny.
Like I really REALLY expected her to complain about the sex cards (which were really silly) or the fact that so many women are willing to sleep with Geralt if he does trivial tasks for them (which was also silly). But she doesn't even touch that, at least in the video I saw (I could only find one video where she mentioned the Witcher games).
Instead, she shows a clip of Carmen asking Geralt to protect some of her friends from the thugs that have been randomly killing people throughout the game. Carmen is the original character with the most detailed story arc (aside from the characters who were from the books). That horrible priest from the Outskirts was her father and she grew up with that crap, and then he kicked her out of the house accusing her of being a whore so she became one (probably couldn't get any other job with the limited skills and education she had from living in that kind of household). But despite going through all of that, she's still a nice person. And she falls in love with Vincent, even knowing that he's a werewolf, because she knows he's a good person too and she loves him anyway. That side-quest to help her out and cure him is one of my favorite parts of the game because it's so sweet.
But no, apparently Carmen is just background decoration.
Or with Witcher 2, it would have been the obvious choice to bring up that weird scene where Mottle explicitly offers Geralt sex as a reward for saving her life. But instead, Anita brings up the scene on Iorveth's path where Loredo is threatening to burn the elven women as a diversion so that he can escape.
The game has portrayed Loredo as a despicable person with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and then it puts the player in the awkward position of having to decide whether it's worth letting innocent people die in order to take him out. How much do we hate him? How likely is it that he might kill even more people if he gets away? Does preventing that potential future atrocity justify allowing these people to die right here and now?
And the scene also has an interesting commentary on the themes of racism that have been building up in the whole chapter. Previously Loredo had been manipulating the human residents into hating the non-human residents. This is the moment where he shows his true colors to everyone and they realize what a monster he really is. They could have just been like, "Meh, let the elves die," but instead they literally beg Geralt to save the elven women. In contrast, Iorveth dismisses their lives, claiming that they're willing to die just because he doesn't want the mild inconvenience of waiting another few minutes while Geralt saves them. That emphasizes that things like compassion and heartlessness aren't neatly divided along racial lines. This blurring of the lines contributes to the "shades of gray" morality that is the central theme of the game.
But nope, that's just background decoration too, right? XD
It would be like if someone saw this link on her site below the video:
Nearly 1 in 5 Women in U.S. Survey Say They Have Been Sexually Assaulted by Roni Caryn Rabin
And then purely based on how it looks written that way they started complaining that this Roni person is horrible and needs to be stopped XD That's how it feels watching her misrepresent games.
DavidG88: I think that's where girls can hurt. Because if people come out of these videos with the idea that games, devs, & gamers are all promoting horrible things... How do you think they'll react to a girl who plays games? Will they chastise her for enjoying something that degrades women. Will they attack her for supporting rape because thats all they can see out of a game. Girls don't need to deal with that crap.
Yeah, exactly. So far I haven't experienced anything really negative (usually people are just surprised), but I'm also careful about talking about games with people I work with (and when I do mention it, I'm careful about which games I say I played). It doesn't have anything to do with my job and I don't need people making assumptions about me based on which games I like. Now that I think about it, this might be why adventure games seem to have larger female audiences. No one's going to accuse someone of being a self-hating woman if she says she likes a nonviolent game about solving puzzles XD
DavidG88: I also find it very hard to relate to Anita much of the time. She's alienating. I had a lot of hope for her back during the Kickstarter, but now it's depressing. I do think it's awesome she is getting to see how a game is made first hand now. I realize Mirror's Edge players probably feel nervous with her being involved. But it might be a good experience for her, maybe she'll come around to a more accessible point of view. One could hope.
That's an interesting point. I never thought of that, but I hope you're right and she does learn something from the experience. I like the first Mirror's Edge but I like purely because of how awesome the keyboard/mouse controls are, along with the artistic style of the buildings. I didn't really care about the story or the characters, so I don't think there's too much Anita could do to ruin the game for me. What will potentially ruin it is if they simplify the controls, and I don't see why she'd have any say in that so I'm not going to blame her for it if that happens.
fronzelneekburm: As far as critical thinking and Valve is concerned,
abandon all hope. That's one of the more concerning side-effects of Gamergate: The "censorship" (or whatever else you want to call it) is as strong on Steam as anywhere else, and still the majority of gamers seem to be in complete denial about that and always group Steam as one of them/the good guys. The Stockholm syndrome is simply too strong in these people.
I was on the Steam forums for almost a year before I figured out what "jarateed" meant XD The forums have always been heavily censored, so this doesn't surprised me either. My opinion of Steam is purely based on Steam itself, not the forums. If the client's working and there's a good sale then I'm happy.
Vestin: On the contrary - it shows you the other side. It shows you a different way to look at things. It challenges simple beliefs. To come out and conclude
"I've seen it, I understand it now, but I still disagree" is a more enlightened stance than "Haha - we've made fun of what I've already disagreed with. Good one, game!".
Very interesting. I picked up the first few Tropico games awhile back but haven't gotten around to playing them yet. I think they just moved higher up the queue :P