Posted March 21, 2016
*****RESULTS PART 1*****
Here's where I analyze the explanation PMs I got, one-by-one, in order of their arrival:
1. bler144: "Ok, so Archie is "the boyfriend" Darleen referred to breaking up with, not Krypsyn. The text is just (cleverly) written as is to lead us to make that conflation that boyfriend must mean Krypsyn.
The telling piece is ""Archie turned one way, to the bathroom. I turned the other, to the bedroom...On the way out of the apartment, I heard water running. I went into the bathroom and turned off the sink taps. I know I shouldn't have touched anything, but I didn't want the flooding to get worse."
Given the delay in finding the body, Archie should have easily identified the source of the leak, and turned off the taps. But did not. Why? At the time the body had not yet been found, so he surely would not have thought to avoid turning them off b/c the space was a crime scene.
However, that tends to indicate that he (Archie) would not have left prints when initially turning the taps on. Turning them off would have been a good explanation for having his prints on them, yet he chose not to."
- Honestly, you were the first far before anybody else before I convinced you to take back your verdict with my accidental screw-up, so it's only fair I deal with you first. But really, what can I say? You pretty much hit the nail on the head and beat everybody to the punch by figuring it out lickety-split. Again. I apologize for making you change your mind on the verdict and now realize that was kind of a dumb idea on my part. My concern was that you'd miss the part about the toilet paper in the sink. Archie went into the bathroom, sure, but that doesn't make him guilty. What makes him guilty is the fact that he plugged it. You also failed to mention the button as well. However, a good number of people overlooked these details, and you were right about the basics of it. Excellent job!
2. Habanerose: While Mr. Krypsyn's past as a member of the mafia might make him suspicious, there are already some clues and inconsistencies that seem both to point towards his innocence and towards another culprit:
- Darleen has been involved with Mr. Krypsyn, and intended to end her relationship with her boyfriend on the day of the murder, and while still a possibility she was refering to him, there might very well have been another man in her life. (as the co-worker hasn't confirmed the name of her boyfriend... yet)
- After having mentioned how nervous (almost afraid) she was at her current boyfriends reaction, it seems odd that she decided to meet him at her appartment (even more so, if the boyfriend in question was the defendant, as being an ex-mafiosi, he could've easily killed her) rather than a public place, or at least have someone else present during their meeting. Also the timing, during his break, seemed rather odd.
Also the behavior of Mr. Archie Manford seems rather suspicious:
- When entering her place, when both men split up, Mr. Gruber discovered the body "after a while" behind the bed, while Mr. Manford inspected the bathroom, yet despite it being the initial reason to enter her appartment, he didn't think of turning off the overflowing sink (which should probably be anyone's initial / natural reaction in this situation), which only was done once they attempoted to exit the appartment, and not by him, but Dean Gruber.
- When he entered the bedroom his first reaction was to bend over rather abruptly (assuming this was meant by "heave so hard", that's at least what Google returned) and popping off one of the buttons of his shirt. Whether or not it was a reaction of shock due to the bloody corpse, or a well-planned act to be able to inspect, and possibly leave fingerprints in the room, is another question (reaon for me voting on evidence from the bedroom).
- Also, he knew Mr. Gruber had a second key to Mrs. Dangerfield appartment, which leaves open the option for him to have made a double from it when Dean didn't pay attention (as he is described as a rather clueless guy), assuming he didn't already have one.
And living in the same building, his presence wouldn't really raise much suspicion.
- And while Mr. Zea Gold seemed quite intimidated and unwilling to cooperate, even making it obvious that he was afraid of the mafia (indirectly pointing towards the defendant based on his past), it can be assumed that it was more related to Mr. Krypsyn's general reputation than any tangible threat (as he might possibly have outright claimed that the defendant wasn't there, should he have received direct threats, rather than just fearing possible retribution should he say too much...). He also interestingly mentioned to not have received any call by Mr. Manford (whether he just missed it or there never was a call to begin with), which seems rather odd.
Conclusion:
Mrs Dangerfield was seeing two men, Mr. Krypsyn and Mr. Manford. And while Mr. Krypsyn might seem the most suspicious at first glance,
things seem to point towards another scenario, another culprit.
This day Darleen decided to end her relationship with Archie, and instead pursue her future with Mr. Prettiest Princess. But Mr. Manford
wouldn't see it that way, and murdered her in affect. And then, most likely unaware of the other man's identity, decided to build himself
an alibi. He intentionally let the sink in her appartment overflow, and then waited for the return of his roommate (of whom he knew that he also
had a key to Mrs. Dangerfield's appartment, and another reason why he didn't call the doorman), Mr Dean Gruber. Once inside, he would split up with him,
making sure that it was Dean who discovered the body. And whether him popping off his button was an accident or a well executed performance,
he planned to at least leave some more fingerprints in the room, so as to erase any suspicion of possible fingerprints of him being found there."
- Once again, you've managed to blow me away with your in-depth analysis. Considering how little evidence you worked off of, you basically got...everything you could possibly get.
To "heave" means to vomit/throw up or at least make the gagging for it without actually doing it. Archie was pretending to be sick in order to explain why his button was missing. You're quite correct about Zea Gold as well, he was just afraid of Krypsyn's history with the mafia, but otherwise gave a reliable testimony. Excellent, top-notch detective work!
3. ZFR: "The murderer is Dean. He had the keys. He purposely left the water running, so he'd have an excuse of going into the apartment with Archie, then he went to bathroom (so when his tracks/prints are found there later there'd be a reason). He also possibly needed the victim to be found soon so Kryspin could be incriminated or to give him an alibi. He also made sure Archie doesn't look for the button.
Other indications for not guilty:
_The way you run this puzzle seems to suggest you want Kryspin to be innocent. And Archie is just too convenient. Almost like you want to jurors to think "if it's not Kryspin it has to be Archie."
_bler thinks he's not guilty. bler is usually right.
_Archie really can't stnad blood."
- You were right that it wasn't Krypsyn, and you had the basic idea for it, just about the wrong person. Archie wasn't too convenient, he was just convenient enough. Although that bler idea sounds pretty solid, though.
Anyway, well done! Correct or not, you had some very solid logic behind it, and that's quite commendable.
Here's where I analyze the explanation PMs I got, one-by-one, in order of their arrival:
1. bler144: "Ok, so Archie is "the boyfriend" Darleen referred to breaking up with, not Krypsyn. The text is just (cleverly) written as is to lead us to make that conflation that boyfriend must mean Krypsyn.
The telling piece is ""Archie turned one way, to the bathroom. I turned the other, to the bedroom...On the way out of the apartment, I heard water running. I went into the bathroom and turned off the sink taps. I know I shouldn't have touched anything, but I didn't want the flooding to get worse."
Given the delay in finding the body, Archie should have easily identified the source of the leak, and turned off the taps. But did not. Why? At the time the body had not yet been found, so he surely would not have thought to avoid turning them off b/c the space was a crime scene.
However, that tends to indicate that he (Archie) would not have left prints when initially turning the taps on. Turning them off would have been a good explanation for having his prints on them, yet he chose not to."
- Honestly, you were the first far before anybody else before I convinced you to take back your verdict with my accidental screw-up, so it's only fair I deal with you first. But really, what can I say? You pretty much hit the nail on the head and beat everybody to the punch by figuring it out lickety-split. Again. I apologize for making you change your mind on the verdict and now realize that was kind of a dumb idea on my part. My concern was that you'd miss the part about the toilet paper in the sink. Archie went into the bathroom, sure, but that doesn't make him guilty. What makes him guilty is the fact that he plugged it. You also failed to mention the button as well. However, a good number of people overlooked these details, and you were right about the basics of it. Excellent job!
2. Habanerose: While Mr. Krypsyn's past as a member of the mafia might make him suspicious, there are already some clues and inconsistencies that seem both to point towards his innocence and towards another culprit:
- Darleen has been involved with Mr. Krypsyn, and intended to end her relationship with her boyfriend on the day of the murder, and while still a possibility she was refering to him, there might very well have been another man in her life. (as the co-worker hasn't confirmed the name of her boyfriend... yet)
- After having mentioned how nervous (almost afraid) she was at her current boyfriends reaction, it seems odd that she decided to meet him at her appartment (even more so, if the boyfriend in question was the defendant, as being an ex-mafiosi, he could've easily killed her) rather than a public place, or at least have someone else present during their meeting. Also the timing, during his break, seemed rather odd.
Also the behavior of Mr. Archie Manford seems rather suspicious:
- When entering her place, when both men split up, Mr. Gruber discovered the body "after a while" behind the bed, while Mr. Manford inspected the bathroom, yet despite it being the initial reason to enter her appartment, he didn't think of turning off the overflowing sink (which should probably be anyone's initial / natural reaction in this situation), which only was done once they attempoted to exit the appartment, and not by him, but Dean Gruber.
- When he entered the bedroom his first reaction was to bend over rather abruptly (assuming this was meant by "heave so hard", that's at least what Google returned) and popping off one of the buttons of his shirt. Whether or not it was a reaction of shock due to the bloody corpse, or a well-planned act to be able to inspect, and possibly leave fingerprints in the room, is another question (reaon for me voting on evidence from the bedroom).
- Also, he knew Mr. Gruber had a second key to Mrs. Dangerfield appartment, which leaves open the option for him to have made a double from it when Dean didn't pay attention (as he is described as a rather clueless guy), assuming he didn't already have one.
And living in the same building, his presence wouldn't really raise much suspicion.
- And while Mr. Zea Gold seemed quite intimidated and unwilling to cooperate, even making it obvious that he was afraid of the mafia (indirectly pointing towards the defendant based on his past), it can be assumed that it was more related to Mr. Krypsyn's general reputation than any tangible threat (as he might possibly have outright claimed that the defendant wasn't there, should he have received direct threats, rather than just fearing possible retribution should he say too much...). He also interestingly mentioned to not have received any call by Mr. Manford (whether he just missed it or there never was a call to begin with), which seems rather odd.
Conclusion:
Mrs Dangerfield was seeing two men, Mr. Krypsyn and Mr. Manford. And while Mr. Krypsyn might seem the most suspicious at first glance,
things seem to point towards another scenario, another culprit.
This day Darleen decided to end her relationship with Archie, and instead pursue her future with Mr. Prettiest Princess. But Mr. Manford
wouldn't see it that way, and murdered her in affect. And then, most likely unaware of the other man's identity, decided to build himself
an alibi. He intentionally let the sink in her appartment overflow, and then waited for the return of his roommate (of whom he knew that he also
had a key to Mrs. Dangerfield's appartment, and another reason why he didn't call the doorman), Mr Dean Gruber. Once inside, he would split up with him,
making sure that it was Dean who discovered the body. And whether him popping off his button was an accident or a well executed performance,
he planned to at least leave some more fingerprints in the room, so as to erase any suspicion of possible fingerprints of him being found there."
- Once again, you've managed to blow me away with your in-depth analysis. Considering how little evidence you worked off of, you basically got...everything you could possibly get.
To "heave" means to vomit/throw up or at least make the gagging for it without actually doing it. Archie was pretending to be sick in order to explain why his button was missing. You're quite correct about Zea Gold as well, he was just afraid of Krypsyn's history with the mafia, but otherwise gave a reliable testimony. Excellent, top-notch detective work!
3. ZFR: "The murderer is Dean. He had the keys. He purposely left the water running, so he'd have an excuse of going into the apartment with Archie, then he went to bathroom (so when his tracks/prints are found there later there'd be a reason). He also possibly needed the victim to be found soon so Kryspin could be incriminated or to give him an alibi. He also made sure Archie doesn't look for the button.
Other indications for not guilty:
_The way you run this puzzle seems to suggest you want Kryspin to be innocent. And Archie is just too convenient. Almost like you want to jurors to think "if it's not Kryspin it has to be Archie."
_bler thinks he's not guilty. bler is usually right.
_Archie really can't stnad blood."
- You were right that it wasn't Krypsyn, and you had the basic idea for it, just about the wrong person. Archie wasn't too convenient, he was just convenient enough. Although that bler idea sounds pretty solid, though.
Anyway, well done! Correct or not, you had some very solid logic behind it, and that's quite commendable.
