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DyNaer: And for once customers it seems have won a battle, SEGA wanted to fill Denuvo in Shenmue I+II :and there's a rumor about they attempted & removed it, because those games where too old and porobably will have totaly broken those games

SteamDB mentions Denivo has been removed before launch....not the reason ofc.

So, i don't want to disapoint the original poster, but i won't trust blindly SEGA about this move...

I wait to see if they don't attempt to push it in a future game version .... before to get it...
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Paradoks: In other Sega - Denuvo related news - Two Point Hospital launched with Denuvo 5 days ago (and was cracked before release). It has just been removed in a beta branch. This is encouraging. But I think it should be mentioned that most Sega games with Denuvo allowed a legitimate way of bypassing it - the Linux version. So Sega wasn't as strict about it as other publishers to begin with.
I'm really hoping sega stops using it. they never needed it before
Post edited September 04, 2018 by Minuteworld
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Paradoks: In other Sega - Denuvo related news - Two Point Hospital launched with Denuvo 5 days ago (and was cracked before release). It has just been removed in a beta branch. This is encouraging. But I think it should be mentioned that most Sega games with Denuvo allowed a legitimate way of bypassing it - the Linux version. So Sega wasn't as strict about it as other publishers to begin with.
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Minuteworld: I'm really hoping sega stops using it. they never needed it before
This being a Unity game you have to wonder why they even bothered. It wasn't even protecting the EXE, it was on a DLL instead. They didn't even need to crack it anymore, if I'm not mistaken all they did was take the cracked dll from another game and poof, done.

At least it wasn't as silly as the Naruto/Boruto striker game, where the devs accidentally pushed an exe without Denuvo protection to Steam xD
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candesco: Denuvo is even worse then securom and starforce and those weren't popular those days. Denuvo limits the amount of installation. In most cases the limit is set to 5 installations, but sometimes also 3. Easy uninstalling and later reinstall or install it on an other computer ain't possible. And that is for me reason enough to avoid denuvo. It's too agressive.
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Pheace: Are you sure this is the kind of limitation you're thinking of? Denuvo 5 installation limit is a limit of 5 installs max per 24 hours. I've seen far worse installation limits on non-Denuvo games, including the dreaded 3 times ever install limit
Probably you're referring to Spore and Simcity 2013. However, Denuvo does just the same. Probably you have no problems with denuvo, which is fine for you. Fact is you're limited and not only for 24 hours. You need also to be permanent online, otherwise it won't work. And it looks to your hardware and if one thing is changed you're screwed. Then it counts as a new installation. So it behaves also like spyware.
Post edited September 05, 2018 by candesco
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Pheace: Are you sure this is the kind of limitation you're thinking of? Denuvo 5 installation limit is a limit of 5 installs max per 24 hours. I've seen far worse installation limits on non-Denuvo games, including the dreaded 3 times ever install limit
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candesco: Probably you're referring to Spore and Simcity 2013. However, Denuvo does just the same.
Pff. Yes it's an install limit. No it is absolutely not the same. One you're guaranteed to run into if you install your game more than a few times over your entire lifetime and once it happens your game is gone. The other someone may run into in extremely rare cases and even then it's resolved within 24 hours. It baffles me you can even pretend they're the same.

You need also to be permanent online, otherwise it won't work.
Uh no? Ubisoft 'Always Online' was something where you needed to be permanently online. Where if you lost internet connection you just got kicked out of the game. Denuvo does have some sort of online check but I believe it's once every 2 weeks.

And it looks to your hardware and if one thing is changed you're screwed. Then it counts as a new installation.
Screwed? Not unless you're going to do that several times within 24 hours.

So it behaves also like spyware.
That's a somewhat valid argument, in the same way Steam or Galaxy are I imagine.
Post edited September 05, 2018 by Pheace
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Pheace: Mad max ran like a dream even with Denuvo so it probably didn't gain much on that front, though for longevity it's good.
From the curator i follow (Denuvo Games)

Denuvo still protects it , so....usually this curator is accurate.. However many users mentioned (aside the activation to the Denuvo server) no loss in performance. That's one of the few games where the anti-temper seems to be properly implemented (but that doesn't change my opinion about this crap).

List of current games where it has been removed :

Two Point Hospital (XD....was fast)
Life is Strange : Before the Storm
RiME
Agents of Mayhem
Sniper Ghost Warriar 3
Bulletstorm: Full Clip Edition
Syberia 3
2Dark
INSIDE
Homefront: The Revolution
ADR1FT -> Whish i didn't given away my HB key :o
HITMAN (reboot)
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Games total : 107 / No longer protected by it : 12 / Still protected : 95

Special cases ; Sherlock Homes : The Devil's Daughter & ABZU, avaible on GOG @_@

Of course, asking why in the dedicated subforum on Steam, for each of those 2 games, lead to either trolls by some or no official anwsers.....sigh.
I believe for Sherlock Holmes, it's because the publisher is different between both stores, however for ABZU....
Post edited September 27, 2018 by DyNaer
https://steamcommunity.com/app/790820/discussions/0/1733213724908385395/

just thought id bump this to show how people vehemently defend drm.

also im banned on steam till december and i need some place for people too bitch about denuvo to get away from this insanity.
Post edited September 27, 2018 by Minuteworld
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Minuteworld: https://steamcommunity.com/app/790820/discussions/0/1733213724908385395/

just thought id bump this to show how people vehemently defend drm.

also im banned on steam till december and i need some place for people too bitch about denuvo to get away from this insanity.
how dare you bitch about anti-consumer software!!!!!!!!!

U WILL LOVE IT FOR THE PROTECTION IT AFFORDS HOLDERS OF SHARE
Since this thread has been bumped, I have to satisfy a curiosity. Maybe the answer is already written somehwere, but I don't feel like reading the entire thread to find out, please pardon me for my laziness! :P

My question is: let's suppose I install a game packing Denuvo. What does it actually do and is it possible to erase every trace of it when uninstalling the game it came with?

Edit - Also: Steam community. A flaming garbage pile. As horrible as this forum has become, it is still nothing compared to that.
Post edited September 27, 2018 by Enebias
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Minuteworld: https://steamcommunity.com/app/790820/discussions/0/1733213724908385395/

just thought id bump this to show how people vehemently defend drm.

also im banned on steam till december and i need some place for people too bitch about denuvo to get away from this insanity.
Go to Crackwatch and pick an uncracked Denuvo game, it's full of them

Steam's the belly of the beast for that discussion. Longevity is the strongest argument against Denuvo, and if that were a real concern, why would you be buying games on Steam to begin with?
Post edited September 27, 2018 by Pheace
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Enebias: Since this thread has been bumped, I have to satisfy a curiosity. Maybe the answer is already written somehwere, but I don't feel like reading the entire thread to find out, please pardon me for my laziness! :P

My question is: let's suppose I install a game packing Denuvo. What does it actually do and is it possible to erase every trace of it when uninstalling the game it came with?

Edit - Also: Steam community. A flaming garbage pile. As horrible as this forum has become, it is still nothing compared to that.
most of the main concerns (which is a REALLY big concern) is longevity being the game that use it are tied to a server. denuvo dies or you don't have good internet? 50/50 chance that you can even launch the game.

people have also reported that it bloats the .exes too an absurd amount and performance impact (a guy on youtube made 3-4 videos on denuvo testing the impacts)

also, yes.