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Brasas: This is much more traditionalist views [Aurini's] than you both may be used to...
Oh, I'm used to them. I have no small amount of exposure to this kind of garbage. That said, the line of reasoning employed is so shoddy and full of leaps in logic that, even bearing in mind that I am familiar with many of the conclusions held by the writer, I could only imagine this being some sort of elaborate joke by way of employing logic that would make a hardcore Dadaist cry, i.e. trolling.
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Jonesy89: snip
Well, hurrah diversity right? Why shouldn't it apply to ideology? Celebrate it mate! ;)

The more of them the better I say (opinions), maybe that way the center of tolerance will be more evident as the best position, instead of either of the extremes. Certainly, at bottom, both this uber traditionalist and the radical feminist worldviews are full of logical leaps.

Radfem has swung somewhat too far, so I guess it's only naturall the reaction will grow somewhat in the coming 5 / 10 years. I'd say it's happened starting at least 5 years back even.

By the way, did you see all those "I'm not a Feminist" phenomena, whatever they were called? Have you seen any "I'm not a Gamer" memes? Which group has the image problem again?

Yes, that last para was me trolling ;) Doesn't make it false or illogical, just a different perspective.
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Brasas: Well, hurrah diversity right? Why shouldn't it apply to ideology? Celebrate it mate! ;)

The more of them the better I say (opinions), maybe that way the center of tolerance will be more evident as the best position, instead of either of the extremes. Certainly, at bottom, both this uber traditionalist and the radical feminist worldviews are full of logical leaps.

Radfem has swung somewhat too far, so I guess it's only naturall the reaction will grow somewhat in the coming 5 / 10 years. I'd say it's happened starting at least 5 years back even.

By the way, did you see all those "I'm not a Feminist" phenomena, whatever they were called? Have you seen any "I'm not a Gamer" memes? Which group has the image problem again?

Yes, that last para was me trolling ;) Doesn't make it false or illogical, just a different perspective.
Nicely said. And btw I'm definately not trolling. :-) And I certainly don't agree with everything Aurini says. However, I don't have a knee-jerk "OMG! You must be joking or trolling - he's a mysoginist reactionary! Call the Neo-feminist thought police! Take him away! Delete this post! Stop the presses! I just can't cope with anyone's world view that clashes with mine" reaction. Quite amusing X-D

Having said that, at least its sparking some "healthy" debate on the whole matter and it does seem "The Sarkeesian Effect" is going to spark a similar reaction - except on an infinitely larger, global scale. Looking forward to it? I know I am.
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Behold! It has come to public attention that Hardcore Gaming 101 is in fact a pure SJW site in disguise!!! If you're not cautious, reading them will make your brain rot and turn you into some socialist hipster! It's true! Read the following proof revealed in broad daylight by an heroic anonymous on some board:
https://twitter.com/HG_101/status/544684551097036800

I had a good laugh reading this this morning :o)
<span class="bold">ANITA'S DONE IT AGAIN!</span>

And still no news as to who sent her threats way back.
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noncompliantgame: <span class="bold">ANITA'S DONE IT AGAIN!</span>

And still no news as to who sent her threats way back.
Is there anything she wont do to look like a victim?
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noncompliantgame: <span class="bold">ANITA'S DONE IT AGAIN!</span>

And still no news as to who sent her threats way back.
And there my friends is what a "feminist" looks like. An entitled first world scam artist who uses pop psych and marketing tricks to milk the gullible.

This is not the equality feminism that fought for actual progress. This is new wave trash.
I'd rather call her a radical feminist. Feminists are no different from other rights activists, correct?
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noncompliantgame: <span class="bold">ANITA'S DONE IT AGAIN!</span>

And still no news as to who sent her threats way back.
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monkeydelarge: Is there anything she wont do to look like a victim?
More viewers, more people who care = more money for her business. She needs to keep the vibe up...
Post edited December 16, 2014 by MaGo72
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noncompliantgame: <span class="bold">ANITA'S DONE IT AGAIN!</span>

And still no news as to who sent her threats way back.
con artist being a con artist.what else is new?
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MaGo72: http://www.staresattheworld.com/2014/11/catch-22-feminism/

Just out of interest a "neo-reactionary" monarchist is somebody whose politicial view/ideology is, that monarchism as a ruling politicial system in a state would be the one to go for aswell as returning to "old" values?

Furthermore the term "neo-reactionary" is quite new for me, I know the term reactionary which has been used quite differently to describe certain politicial movements/groups in a given country at a given time. From what I could look up, it seems the term for itself coins something like a "radical conversative". David Aurini the author of the above text says from himself, that he is a neo-reactionary monarchist. When you consider those glasses of a perspective on the world, the text makes sense - although I do not share his view.

I think one question which has never been asked or adressed in all those articles is, what is the kind of equality feminism is going for?

The feminist movement has reached quite a lot of it's initial goals. When I look at those articles and their views which came up in the GG discussion, it seems more to me that "equality" in front of the law, equal treatment of women in our existing western societies is no longer the main goal. It seems to me the main goal is the extinction of gender and associated characteristics as a social, cultural construct. One could argue that this is direct implication of a cultural alignment of genders because the associated traits with one gender are not directly comparable with the other role, but the question which I ask myself is: Such a change would encompass giving up/normalizing the traits and characteristics of both genders, while when I look at the proponents and authors of certain articles it sounds more like aiming for "privilege". The reason for this in my opinion is, that the proposed change is not really a matter of this or that gender role, it is a change which touches our culture in its roots and views on society, the moral and ethical values aswell. And with the "We do it, it is ok, but it is not ok when you do it "- argumentation you hit a wall.
The really big goals of feminism - voting, owning property and not being it - are met. Much like the big goals of the civil rights movement - voting, equal protection by law - were met. But there are still huge issues.

When 12 year olds are told they must have done something to provoke their rapists, when police choke a person peacefully surrendering to death, when people think a female politician's makeup is more important than their policies, when black teens get questioned for texting while in a store, we have to acknowledge that there are still major problems. There's a lot of progress still to be made in respecting other people.

When one group is fighting against sexual assault and murder, and the other side is fighting to silence other points of view, I know where I stand.

It's the same as gay rights for me. I don't agree with everything LBGT groups push for and I don't think gay marriage is a good idea. At the same time, I am absolutely and 100% behind treating everyone respectfully. I think this kind of middle ground - "I don't agree but I respect you as a fellow human" - is being ignored. And GGers definitely broke the bounds of decency first with stalking and doxxing.

That's the real problem of GG. Of course people who are attacked and threatened will react badly. GGers started that mess, and now it's very hard to have a genuine discourse. GGers tainted the whole issue of games journalism with misogyny and irrational hatred. The whole issue is set back.
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HGiles: When one group is fighting against sexual assault and murder, and the other side is fighting to silence other points of view, I know where I stand.
Sounds like a very good reason to side with GG.
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HGiles: And GGers definitely broke the bounds of decency first with stalking and doxxing.

That's the real problem of GG. Of course people who are attacked and threatened will react badly. GGers started that mess, and now it's very hard to have a genuine discourse. GGers tainted the whole issue of games journalism with misogyny and irrational hatred. The whole issue is set back.
Proof please, because I have HEARD about this stalking and doxxing anytime someone wants to easily dismiss Gamergate, but no one's actually been able to give me proof, just empty accusations.
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HGiles: When one group is fighting against sexual assault and murder, and the other side is fighting to silence other points of view, I know where I stand.
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jefequeso: Sounds like a very good reason to side with GG.
You mean the group that wants critics to not talk about certain things in their reviews under the guise of asking for them to be more objective, despite still wanting the critic to talk about highly subjective things like fun? Just saying, they aren't exactly doing a bang up job of making themselves look like one of their main stated goals is to silence critics on particular subjects. True, some opponents of GG aren't endearing themselves to me on that front either, but I have less sympathy for that kind of behavior when it is one of the main tenets of the movement of a group.
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HGiles: The really big goals of feminism - voting, owning property and not being it - are met. Much like the big goals of the civil rights movement - voting, equal protection by law - were met. But there are still huge issues.
Not taking sides here, but one big issue with modern feminism is most women don't agree on what the goals are. My wife talks about this a lot. One feminist will tell you women should cover up and not be sexualized, another wants the right to wear whatever she wants wherever she wants. One woman wants pornography banned for exploiting lower income women, another wants prostitution legalized because what a woman does with her body should be her business.

There's no clear message on a lot of these issues. The same thing seems to be happening in media criticism. For example a lot of "SJWs" are pushing for a female Doctor Who but my wife hates the idea, she thinks of him as a male character and doesn't get why that should change. Similarly I know a lot of girls who enjoy seeing sexy female characters in games, or make their own sexy protagonist when given the chance, because sexy is fun sometimes.

The internet gives a loud bullhorn to anyone who wants it. This results in niche opinions sounding like social movements, even if they aren't. It also pressures journalists to listen to every opinion equally, even if they're not actually shared by many people. All of this (lacking a clear message, every message getting airplay) is a big factor in the current debate and the frustrations of people on both sides.