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Gnostic: So I assume you agree that people decide to expand the word meaning to include the meaning of religious knowledge too.

And yes, Gnosticism is mostly used in religious scripture now, and that include religion other then Christianity too.

And how you know I am Agnostic?

My belief align more to Buddhist teaching (the philosophy) that everyone can be a GOD (Buddha), and no one can save you but yourself. Great teachers like Buddha, Confucius, Jesus only show the way.

And when interpreting their teaching, one must go through the process of logical thinking. because the teachings are written after Siddhattha Gotama, Confucius, Jesus death and edited by their disciples with their own favor of thinking and translated into many language will lost many of its meaning.

And Siddhattha Gotama, Confucius, Jesus is not free from mistake too.
some, but the honest man instead breaks down Torah character by character and comes to see the meaning of how it was put together, it is very tell tale.

the Buddhist make references to "the Great Man", who do you think that is? See Te Tao Ching.

Buddha was enlightened, and that only comes from truth, for lies are of darkness, the "tin and Yang" if you will, but, the meaning is the same, the most concise understanding is to be found in the Zohar, which is an indepth study of the first 5 books, the same books that were given John in Revelations 10, the one that was "sweet on the lips and bitter in the belly".

it wasn't the disciples that did it, the real problem is that you can't express hebrew thought in greek writing.

for a long time I was upset with St. Jerome for the way it is, then I went back and studied the Septuagint, and that lead me back to the original hebrew. See, when you translate between the two the underatanding of whats going on behind the scenes gets lost and it gets twisted completely, i can give you a good example of this, it's a terrible thing really.

for an example lets look at Exodus 10:8, I'll start with a single word here, bear with me, lets start with the word "Mi", which means "Who". I'll start on this page: http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4310.htm

on the lower right there are references to this word is in scripture, lets go down to Exodus 10:8, inline, hebrew and english. the link takes you to this page: http://biblehub.com/text/exodus/10-8.htm


see the differences it makes? a double usage of a sacred word, Mi, which is a reference to the Divine Mother, Wisdom.

one is a question (the english), the other a statement, it ends with a period.

this is your real problem with it is you haven't realised where it started to get off-track and how to actually make sense of the book.

the real root of the problem was with the 70 hebrew scholars that compiled the law of the jews into greek, they didn't know how to express it so that the greek woudl actually get it. Notice the same english mistranslation is actually present in the Septuagint, it is in mine anyways, the Septuagint was the first non-hebrew version.

think what you will, but Jesus never sinned (my forefathers called him Cheezoos, he was the 8th prophet of the seven fires prophecy, native american ideals, mind you the oldest 10 commandments carved in stone in Hebrew are actually in New Mexico, in a place called Los Lunas, in Paleo-Hebrew, which hasn't been used in thousands of years now, the language the scrolls (Torah) were in originally).

your idea isn't the real idea of Toaism, Buddhism, etc.. either, this "philosophy" you describe is about self-servingness and ego, replacing god, and that is no philosophy at all but rather a lack thereof. The original "Philosophers" were actually religious and avoiding persecution by changing the words slightly and never mentioning god, but they describe the same, the real ones anyways, don't try to include Plato in that group, cause he would say anything to keep his position and his most used strategy when approached with a question was to give the bearer 100 more questions to add on top of his own.

have you ever considered reading Seneca the Younger? he was enlightened, as much as Buddha, a servant to Nero Ceasar, albeit unwillingly in all reality, he was like a captive adviser. Like many other wisemen have been, including in asia.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Firmness_of_the_Wise_Man << awesome read, I think you will like it in all truth, is a great investment in time, very rewarding, enjoy.

btw, the version of Te Tao Ching I am using is the one that was translated in 1973 by Robert G. Henricks.
https://www.amazon.com/Lao-Tzu-Translation-Recently-Discovered-Ma-Wang-Tui/dp/0345347900/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1469149112&amp;sr=1-26
it makes refernces to god brother, the "Great Man", not you, not I, BUT HE.
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Gnostic: So I assume you agree that people decide to expand the word meaning to include the meaning of religious knowledge too.

And yes, Gnosticism is mostly used in religious scripture now, and that include religion other then Christianity too.

And how you know I am Agnostic?

My belief align more to Buddhist teaching (the philosophy) that everyone can be a GOD (Buddha), and no one can save you but yourself. Great teachers like Buddha, Confucius, Jesus only show the way.

And when interpreting their teaching, one must go through the process of logical thinking. because the teachings are written after Siddhattha Gotama, Confucius, Jesus death and edited by their disciples with their own favor of thinking and translated into many language will lost many of its meaning.

And Siddhattha Gotama, Confucius, Jesus is not free from mistake too.
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capricorn1971ad: some, but the honest man instead breaks down Torah character by character and comes to see the meaning of how it was put together, it is very tell tale.

the Buddhist make references to "the Great Man", who do you think that is? See Te Tao Ching.

Buddha was enlightened, and that only comes from truth, for lies are of darkness, the "tin and Yang" if you will, but, the meaning is the same, the most concise understanding is to be found in the Zohar, which is an indepth study of the first 5 books, the same books that were given John in Revelations 10, the one that was "sweet on the lips and bitter in the belly".

it wasn't the disciples that did it, the real problem is that you can't express hebrew thought in greek writing.

for a long time I was upset with St. Jerome for the way it is, then I went back and studied the Septuagint, and that lead me back to the original hebrew. See, when you translate between the two the underatanding of whats going on behind the scenes gets lost and it gets twisted completely, i can give you a good example of this, it's a terrible thing really.

for an example lets look at Exodus 10:8, I'll start with a single word here, bear with me, lets start with the word "Mi", which means "Who". I'll start on this page: http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4310.htm

on the lower right there are references to this word is in scripture, lets go down to Exodus 10:8, inline, hebrew and english. the link takes you to this page: http://biblehub.com/text/exodus/10-8.htm

see the differences it makes? a double usage of a sacred word, Mi, which is a reference to the Divine Mother, Wisdom.

one is a question (the english), the other a statement, it ends with a period.

this is your real problem with it is you haven't realised where it started to get off-track and how to actually make sense of the book.

the real root of the problem was with the 70 hebrew scholars that compiled the law of the jews into greek, they didn't know how to express it so that the greek woudl actually get it. Notice the same english mistranslation is actually present in the Septuagint, it is in mine anyways, the Septuagint was the first non-hebrew version.

think what you will, but Jesus never sinned (my forefathers called him Cheezoos, he was the 8th prophet of the seven fires prophecy, native american ideals, mind you the oldest 10 commandments carved in stone in Hebrew are actually in New Mexico, in a place called Los Lunas, in Paleo-Hebrew, which hasn't been used in thousands of years now, the language the scrolls (Torah) were in originally).

your idea isn't the real idea of Toaism, Buddhism, etc.. either, this "philosophy" you describe is about self-servingness and ego, replacing god, and that is no philosophy at all but rather a lack thereof. The original "Philosophers" were actually religious and avoiding persecution by changing the words slightly and never mentioning god, but they describe the same, the real ones anyways, don't try to include Plato in that group, cause he would say anything to keep his position and his most used strategy when approached with a question was to give the bearer 100 more questions to add on top of his own.

have you ever considered reading Seneca the Younger? he was enlightened, as much as Buddha, a servant to Nero Ceasar, albeit unwillingly in all reality, he was like a captive adviser. Like many other wisemen have been, including in asia.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Firmness_of_the_Wise_Man << awesome read, I think you will like it in all truth, is a great investment in time, very rewarding, enjoy.

btw, the version of Te Tao Ching I am using is the one that was translated in 1973 by Robert G. Henricks.
https://www.amazon.com/Lao-Tzu-Translation-Recently-Discovered-Ma-Wang-Tui/dp/0345347900/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1469149112&amp;sr=1-26
it makes refernces to god brother, the "Great Man", not you, not I, BUT HE.
What is your definition of GOD?
God is Love.
Love is Blind.

Therefore:
Ray Charles is God.
Post edited July 22, 2016 by tinyE
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tinyE: God is Love.
Love is Blind.

Therefore:
Ray Charles is God.
I woulda guessed stevie wonder.
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capricorn1971ad: some, but the honest man instead breaks down Torah character by character and comes to see the meaning of how it was put together, it is very tell tale.

the Buddhist make references to "the Great Man", who do you think that is? See Te Tao Ching.

Buddha was enlightened, and that only comes from truth, for lies are of darkness, the "tin and Yang" if you will, but, the meaning is the same, the most concise understanding is to be found in the Zohar, which is an indepth study of the first 5 books, the same books that were given John in Revelations 10, the one that was "sweet on the lips and bitter in the belly".

it wasn't the disciples that did it, the real problem is that you can't express hebrew thought in greek writing.

for a long time I was upset with St. Jerome for the way it is, then I went back and studied the Septuagint, and that lead me back to the original hebrew. See, when you translate between the two the underatanding of whats going on behind the scenes gets lost and it gets twisted completely, i can give you a good example of this, it's a terrible thing really.

for an example lets look at Exodus 10:8, I'll start with a single word here, bear with me, lets start with the word "Mi", which means "Who". I'll start on this page: http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4310.htm

on the lower right there are references to this word is in scripture, lets go down to Exodus 10:8, inline, hebrew and english. the link takes you to this page: http://biblehub.com/text/exodus/10-8.htm

see the differences it makes? a double usage of a sacred word, Mi, which is a reference to the Divine Mother, Wisdom.

one is a question (the english), the other a statement, it ends with a period.

this is your real problem with it is you haven't realised where it started to get off-track and how to actually make sense of the book.

the real root of the problem was with the 70 hebrew scholars that compiled the law of the jews into greek, they didn't know how to express it so that the greek woudl actually get it. Notice the same english mistranslation is actually present in the Septuagint, it is in mine anyways, the Septuagint was the first non-hebrew version.

think what you will, but Jesus never sinned (my forefathers called him Cheezoos, he was the 8th prophet of the seven fires prophecy, native american ideals, mind you the oldest 10 commandments carved in stone in Hebrew are actually in New Mexico, in a place called Los Lunas, in Paleo-Hebrew, which hasn't been used in thousands of years now, the language the scrolls (Torah) were in originally).

your idea isn't the real idea of Toaism, Buddhism, etc.. either, this "philosophy" you describe is about self-servingness and ego, replacing god, and that is no philosophy at all but rather a lack thereof. The original "Philosophers" were actually religious and avoiding persecution by changing the words slightly and never mentioning god, but they describe the same, the real ones anyways, don't try to include Plato in that group, cause he would say anything to keep his position and his most used strategy when approached with a question was to give the bearer 100 more questions to add on top of his own.

have you ever considered reading Seneca the Younger? he was enlightened, as much as Buddha, a servant to Nero Ceasar, albeit unwillingly in all reality, he was like a captive adviser. Like many other wisemen have been, including in asia.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Firmness_of_the_Wise_Man << awesome read, I think you will like it in all truth, is a great investment in time, very rewarding, enjoy.

btw, the version of Te Tao Ching I am using is the one that was translated in 1973 by Robert G. Henricks.
https://www.amazon.com/Lao-Tzu-Translation-Recently-Discovered-Ma-Wang-Tui/dp/0345347900/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1469149112&amp;sr=1-26
it makes refernces to god brother, the "Great Man", not you, not I, BUT HE.
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Gnostic: What is your definition of GOD?
god is as his name is, Yod-He-Vav-He, if you break these characters down, they say (as characters) YHVH, first, let me point out that Paleo-Hebrew worked like Heiroglyphics worked, there were symbolic meanings for characters, only a few were also used for "letters" of an "Alphabet" (Aleph-Bet = AB). The Meaning of the characters when read as Hebrew say "Through the arm and hand of god man covers and protects man", and when read as a mirror image (ancient Hebrew "Mirror" would be "Micha", and it is Elohim were talking about (God), so Micha-el reads "Behold Hand, Behold Nail", and this is the meaning of Daniel 10:21, and the reasons behind Obadiah saying "Saviors" in it's text (Meaning more than one), what son is not a mirror image of his father? Michael was the morning star, Christ was the morning star, Michael is the angel of truth, Jesus said he was truth.

so now that I have answered you can you tell me who Jesus really is?
not that I haven't figured it out already and how it relates with the legends of the Jews, Volume 1 by Louis Ginzberg, ever read that? real good read.

did you already read on the firmness of the wise man?
really, go take a look, you'll like it.
Gnosticism originates in Greek.
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tinyE: God is Love.
Love is Blind.

Therefore:
Ray Charles is God.
HEEEEEEERESY!

Heresy gross and foul!

In the holy verses "The Album" track 1 the prophet Haddaway clearly asketh the question "What is love?" and answereth thus: "Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more".
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Gnostic: What is your definition of GOD?
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capricorn1971ad: god is as his name is, Yod-He-Vav-He, if you break these characters down, they say (as characters) YHVH, first, let me point out that Paleo-Hebrew worked like Heiroglyphics worked, there were symbolic meanings for characters, only a few were also used for "letters" of an "Alphabet" (Aleph-Bet = AB). The Meaning of the characters when read as Hebrew say "Through the arm and hand of god man covers and protects man", and when read as a mirror image (ancient Hebrew "Mirror" would be "Micha", and it is Elohim were talking about (God), so Micha-el reads "Behold Hand, Behold Nail", and this is the meaning of Daniel 10:21, and the reasons behind Obadiah saying "Saviors" in it's text (Meaning more than one), what son is not a mirror image of his father? Michael was the morning star, Christ was the morning star, Michael is the angel of truth, Jesus said he was truth.

so now that I have answered you can you tell me who Jesus really is?
not that I haven't figured it out already and how it relates with the legends of the Jews, Volume 1 by Louis Ginzberg, ever read that? real good read.

did you already read on the firmness of the wise man?
really, go take a look, you'll like it.
Gnosticism originates in Greek.
So according to you God is an entity that protect and save people.

For me Jesus is someone that also save people. Just like a fireman and doctor and everyone else. He make mistake like everyone else, but his teaching brought out love and kindness to the people, before it was twisted by the Church for their own gains.
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In other news, Emna Watson new movie pull in $61 in the first week

You read it right, $61, not $61 million.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/07/07/emma-watsons-new-movie-made-61-opening-weekend/

Where are all the feminist that want female protagonist in movies?
Post edited July 22, 2016 by Gnostic
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capricorn1971ad: god is as his name is, Yod-He-Vav-He, if you break these characters down, they say (as characters) YHVH, first, let me point out that Paleo-Hebrew worked like Heiroglyphics worked, there were symbolic meanings for characters, only a few were also used for "letters" of an "Alphabet" (Aleph-Bet = AB). The Meaning of the characters when read as Hebrew say "Through the arm and hand of god man covers and protects man", and when read as a mirror image (ancient Hebrew "Mirror" would be "Micha", and it is Elohim were talking about (God), so Micha-el reads "Behold Hand, Behold Nail", and this is the meaning of Daniel 10:21, and the reasons behind Obadiah saying "Saviors" in it's text (Meaning more than one), what son is not a mirror image of his father? Michael was the morning star, Christ was the morning star, Michael is the angel of truth, Jesus said he was truth.

so now that I have answered you can you tell me who Jesus really is?
not that I haven't figured it out already and how it relates with the legends of the Jews, Volume 1 by Louis Ginzberg, ever read that? real good read.

did you already read on the firmness of the wise man?
really, go take a look, you'll like it.
Gnosticism originates in Greek.
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Gnostic: So according to you God is an entity that protect and save people.

For me Jesus is someone that also save people. Just like a fireman and doctor and everyone else. He make mistake like everyone else, but his teaching brought out love and kindness to the people, before it was twisted by the Church for their own gains.
yes and no..
he saved the upright only, anything less than that is not man, it is animal (beast).

this is the symbolism of the cross itself, one upright, one non-upright (it lies, it's sideways)

in the end god pitches out the sideways and keeps the upright.

that which is upright god saves, Jacob IS the upright, Esau is the beast.
god loved Jacob, but Esau he HATED, read the book.

if your really gnostic you know all this..
<snickering>

Gnosis doesn't come from Asia brother, it comes from ancient greece.
if you actually tried to understand you woudl like the greek stuff too.

if you had read the link to the book i gave you earlier it would explain alot to you, but this is how concerned you are with your legal fiction, thats what it is, a fiction, and that's a lie, god hath no part with lies, St. Augustine pointed that out in his days.
Post edited July 23, 2016 by capricorn1971ad
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capricorn1971ad:
You really took a lot of effort into writng those walls of text when you could've just said you're a calvinist.
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Gnostic: Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and Microsoft censored social media in the name of hate speech by EU code.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/31/facebook-youtube-twitter-microsoft-eu-hate-speech-code
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXQpYKPl_s

At least the British escape EU in the nick of time.
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GabesterOne: God saved the queen indeed, lets hope it keeps that way after the 2nd referendum
Germany police started raiding homes for "hate speech" over Facebook users

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/13/12170590/facebook-hate-speech-germany-police-raid
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/14/german-police-raiding-homes-over-facebook-hate-speech/

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"The action carried out today shows that the authorities are acting firmly against hate on the internet, which has grown considerably in the wake of the refugee situation," Holger Münch, head of the BKA, said in a statement. "Attacks on refugees are often the result of radicalization, which begins on social networks. These words should not poison the social climate."
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German Version
http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/7/3377153
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Gnostic: What is your definition of GOD?
Isn't that just an acronym that stands for "GOD Over Djinn"?

(Anyone get the reference?)
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Remember that Wheaton and Takei joined the cult of SocJus? Well. Great news. Shatner, our dearest Captain, did not. He actually fights back.

http://heatst.com/entertainment/william-shatner-at-war-with-feminist-blog-the-mary-sue/
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LeonardoCornejo: Remember that Wheaton and Takei joined the cult of SocJus? Well. Great news. Shatner, our dearest Captain, did not. He actually fights back.

http://heatst.com/entertainment/william-shatner-at-war-with-feminist-blog-the-mary-sue/
Fuck those cunts. Captain Kirk, we've got your back, buddy.
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WBGhiro: You really took a lot of effort into writng those walls of text when you could've just said you're a calvinist.
I'm not a calvinist..

I am a native descendent, I am a human being.

we don't do divisions.

that's exactly where you guys go wrong, trying to divide and subdivide all, rather than look at how you play into it yourselves.

my ideas are founded on native wisdom, mixed with jewish wisdom, the noticing of the correlations of both, of which there are so so many, but I have studied the greeks as well and find them fascinating as well. I study Torah, hebrew, that's old testament, the law and the word. The law that Christ fulfilled himself, not to do away with or to change but rather to set an example for you to do the same, but your not, your busy worried about categorizing your neighbors.

if you were going to try to through me into a group based off of thought and belief probably the closest in truth would be Sethian Gnostic, which would also be the closest thing to the Essenes today.

you people don't even realise how hateful you really are..
thats the by product of ignorance.. service to Samael himself, the lord of Esau, the lord of Cain.